I think you are confused. That would be an entirely different statistic. In a Furlough you are still employed, but not back to work yet. If someone says "this percentage of our employees are back to work" they are not speaking of layoffs. That is the statistic Disney and Uni reps brought up to correct Desantis. The statistic is pretty accurate. Uni over 85 Disney below it.
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On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace
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I think you are confused. That would be an entirely different statistic. In a Furlough you are still employed, but not back to work yet. If someone says "this percentage of our employees are back to work" they are not speaking of layoffs. That is the statistic Disney and Uni reps brought up to correct Desantis. The statistic is pretty accurate. Uni over 85 Disney below it.
i get that, but in UO’s two rounds of layoffs, did they lay off furloughed workers, or people they called back to work, or both?
would be interesting to see a comparison of attendance
If I recall right, no one that has been furloughed has been layed off at Uni. I have yet to see a source perosnal or media state that. There may be some crossover. The layoffs seemed to be of higher positions that were consolodated and or eliminated. If you are layed off by Uni you know right away. The 85 Percent for Uni stands to those they have told will be back as of now.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They shouldn’t. It’s not.
Which is why it’s brilliant on so many levels.
Yep...bout covers it.
Iger’s Alamo...what over 15 years of scheming has led to...
No discounts...no retraction...only as many as they want at as high of a price as they determine...for the glory of the Street.
That’s where we still are.
...maybe If people hadn’t spent the last five years filling their internet spies with repeated prophecies of how much they’d pay and how packed it would be...”for the 50th”?
Nah...that probably went unnoticed.
The international tourists sure would like to come back. The problem is currently the border is closed.
Isn't Orlando news reporting that more than 1K staff at UO resorts currently on furlough will be laid off? Those do not seem to be high level positions.
I see. I know some part timers at Uni still furloughed.
in fairness, those resorts are third party.
also, i dont believe they ever furloughed their full timers. I remember them saying they were paying 80% of their full timers salaries during closure. Now are most of those full timers still with the company after the two rounds of lay offs? Thats the question
They did not furlough full timers during the shut down. There are full timers furloughed now.
And yes, most are. Front of the line are the masses and those have not had layoffs.
All over for Orlando, hotels are laying off meeting and banquet staff. Many of those are very highend, career positions that pay significantly better then working in the parks for either Disney or Universal.
At Universal, the entire reason Royal Pacific and Sapphire Falls even exist is to serve convention and meeting business. The same can be said for the Hyatt’s, Hilton’s and Marriotts around town which include some of the largest meeting spaces in the country outside of Vegas. From first hand knowledge, many of these recent hotel layoffs are directly related to the complete evaporation of business travel. Leisure tourism is very much a secondary market for those properties.
At the moment, the buzz in the meeting industry is that we are starting to write off spring as well. When Covid hit in March, many of the Fortune 500 list put formal travel restrictions in place immediately through at least the summer. That was quickly extended through the end of the year. In the last few weeks, I’ve begun hearing and seeing ‘no earlier then April’ from some big names, and that’s if everything goes perfectly this winter. Conventions and meetings are typically planned 6-18 months in advance, so filling the calendar again is going to be a very slow process.
DisneyDebRob
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Obviously you haven’t been reading some of the posters here saying capacity, fireworks and even mask mandates are going away very soon. Don’t listen to the actual reports and buzz in the industry, you need to start listening to the keyboard warriors here!
So just back from moving my daughters home. One is furloughed and one has been back since mid July virtually. The one furloughed has a new position at home and was only going to be with the company thru September. Her new postion is virtual so they were both going to stay in Orlando but with so much uncetainty no one felt comfortable signing a lease.
They put their apartment in storage and that place was hopping with many others doing the same.
MCO was eerie, everyone who working loooked incedibly unhappy. They also looked like they had nothing to do and many were sitting on there phones.
Did Epcot on Friday, everthing was a walk on except Frozen. EVERYONE wore masks and socially distanced. Even though I'm not huge into the fireworks it really was missed, its just not the same without it. Ate at Via Napoli as a walk in and the restaurant was at best guess 25%. They did a great job spacing people out. It was the first restaurant I have been to since COVID. I have tried to eat out at home but it just was always to crowded for me and didn't feel safe. The cast at Epcot must have said "thank you for coming back" to us at least ten times, the CM in parking really went on about it.
I wear a mask 12hrs/day but I have to say the Disney masks completely suck. Literally the same texture as a double layer of hanes mens underwear. If you go use surgical masks.
My kids had to get cleaning supplies at Publix and the 20 something cashier, asked if they were Cast. They said yes, but they are furloughed and moving back home. She pulled back her vest she had on and pinned to her shirt was her Cast member name tag and she said, "well we are all in the same boat." That was hard to watch.
Driving 1200 miles home saw many uhauls reminded me of 2009.
Stopping thru Georgia for gas and saw a handful of face masks and they were probably out of state. Got the eye roll when I walked in wearing a mask. So Georgia you get what you deserve.
They put their apartment in storage and that place was hopping with many others doing the same.
MCO was eerie, everyone who working loooked incedibly unhappy. They also looked like they had nothing to do and many were sitting on there phones.
Did Epcot on Friday, everthing was a walk on except Frozen. EVERYONE wore masks and socially distanced. Even though I'm not huge into the fireworks it really was missed, its just not the same without it. Ate at Via Napoli as a walk in and the restaurant was at best guess 25%. They did a great job spacing people out. It was the first restaurant I have been to since COVID. I have tried to eat out at home but it just was always to crowded for me and didn't feel safe. The cast at Epcot must have said "thank you for coming back" to us at least ten times, the CM in parking really went on about it.
I wear a mask 12hrs/day but I have to say the Disney masks completely suck. Literally the same texture as a double layer of hanes mens underwear. If you go use surgical masks.
My kids had to get cleaning supplies at Publix and the 20 something cashier, asked if they were Cast. They said yes, but they are furloughed and moving back home. She pulled back her vest she had on and pinned to her shirt was her Cast member name tag and she said, "well we are all in the same boat." That was hard to watch.
Driving 1200 miles home saw many uhauls reminded me of 2009.
Stopping thru Georgia for gas and saw a handful of face masks and they were probably out of state. Got the eye roll when I walked in wearing a mask. So Georgia you get what you deserve.
That aligns with a slowly dawning realisation in Europe, be it travel, working patterns, many industries etc.
You do realize capacity limits for the parks have been increased over the past week.Obviously you haven’t been reading some of the posters here saying capacity, fireworks and even mask mandates are going away very soon. Don’t listen to the actual reports and buzz in the industry, you need to start listening to the keyboard warriors here!
Obviously you haven’t been reading some of the posters here saying capacity, fireworks and even mask mandates are going away very soon. Don’t listen to the actual reports and buzz in the industry, you need to start listening to the keyboard warriors here!
If all you’ve ever known is coming to Orlando to go to Disney, I kind of get it. The real business driving tourism in Central Florida isn’t on display or obvious, even if you drive by the big convention center on the way from the airport.
Disney picks up so much ancillary business related to conventions. People bring their families and tack on long weekends all the time. If international travel is a 10-20% share of the gate clicks at Disney, business travel accounts for equal that or more... not to mention all the money the mouse directly takes from corporate buy-outs and desert parties that make the ones offered for the tourists look cheap by comparison.
Illuminations was subsidized as much by corporate buy-outs at Italy, International Gateway, and other venues as much as it existed to drive general diner traffic to world showcase. No business money, less reason to roll that back in.
The back of house blood letting has started.. front of house is on edge like you wouldn't believe.
Any day now.. HR is still processing stuff from the first two go arounds.
Tha Realest
Well-Known Member
Government mandates (e.g., masks, social distancing, restaurant capacity) are separate things than what the corporate world decides are justifiable expenses in a world of Zoom and Webex meetings or fluctuating business needs. Don’t be silly.Obviously you haven’t been reading some of the posters here saying capacity, fireworks and even mask mandates are going away very soon. Don’t listen to the actual reports and buzz in the industry, you need to start listening to the keyboard warriors here!
Getting eyerolls in GA? Not surprising to say the least.