On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[DVCakaCarlF]

They are operating more like a regional...Disney has got some overly elaborate “realigning our business” model in place...if I had to guess...

And that model looks like this:

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Too many chiefs...not enough Indians.

 

[brianstl]

As far as I’m concerned, the whole Tri state area should have been quarantined and we wouldn’t even be in this situation.

Almost one third of all US deaths from COVID have been in the those three states.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Why? No outbreaks at WDW among guests or cast members. It don’t see anything that says they should have held up on the reopening.

There is a certain degree of luck there...but they’ve also done what appears to be a good job.

Fair.

But no one really is traveling...so that is the issue now and for the future.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Almost one third of all US deaths from COVID have been in the those three states.

What was the timeframe, Great Oz?

 

[brianstl]

That wouldn’t have prevented anything...

New York fought first...as usual...and they also seem to have done it best...(same)

Look at the hot weather stupidity that has followed? And that’s with KNOWN data and treatments and lessons having been developed from the hot bed.

I will never convince anyone otherwise...however I’m also not incorrect.

The Governor of New York was calling it unconstitutional when other states where placing quarantines on people who had been in New York, but now he is all for them.

 

[Lilofan]

Too many chiefs...not enough Indians.

When the going is good, companies create/ expand new positions and new departments. When the going gets tough, these areas are at times the first to get sliced and diced and people lose their jobs.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

That wouldn’t have prevented anything...

New York fought first...as usual...and they also seem to have done it best...(same)

Look at the hot weather stupidity that has followed? And that’s with KNOWN data and treatments and lessons having been developed from the hot bed.

I will never convince anyone otherwise...however I’m also not incorrect.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, the rest of the US shutdown because NYC was in the crapper.

I don’t have a reported source but when this all started to erupt, there was a serious plan that placed the military (all branches) on alert to quarantine the tri state area by land, sea, air, etc. The constitutional and, thus, legal crisis was being heavily reviewed by lawyers, scholars, and the White House to implement this movie like isolation. The pentagon was developing a mobilization plan, while this was all being discussed.

Realizing the “revolution” that would ensue from such a action, the Feds delegated any quarantine orders back to the states. Thus, giving the governors the option to mobilize the national guard, if desired.

Obviously, using this “nuclear” option would be detrimental to any re election of anyone looking to remain in office. That all being said, the rights that would be violated by imposing such an action, would bring the nation to the brink of a civil war.

 

[brianstl]

What was the timeframe, Great Oz?

It is very likely that New York has achieved herd immunity amongst their most vulnerable populations. 20% of the population of New York that was living in senior communities and assisted living facility has died of COVID. 1 in 5! So of course their death count has now slowed.

 

[JoeCamel]

It is very likely that New York has achieved herd immunity amongst their most vulnerable populations. 20% of the population of New York that was living in senior communities and assisted living facility has died of COVID. 1 in 5! So of course their death count has now slowed.

20% geeezzzzeee. Lesson learned, don't play musical chairs with your sick elderly.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It is very likely that New York has achieved herd immunity amongst their most vulnerable populations. 20% of the population of New York that was living in senior communities and assisted living facility has died of COVID. 1 in 5! So of course their death count has now slowed.

I would ask you what you’re reading/watching...but that seems rhetorical...

Enjoy that...and I’ll move on

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

20% geeezzzzeee. Lesson learned, don't play musical chairs with your sick elderly.

Vulnerable population anyway you slice it. But there are certain realities based on WHERE we’re talking about that are hard to explain.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, the rest of the US shutdown because NYC was in the crapper.

I don’t have a reported source but when this all started to erupt, there was a serious plan that placed the military (all branches) on alert to quarantine the tri state area by land, sea, air, etc. The constitutional and, thus, legal crisis was being heavily reviewed by lawyers, scholars, and the White House to implement this movie like isolation. The pentagon was developing a mobilization plan, while this was all being discussed.

Realizing the “revolution” that would ensue from such a action, the Feds delegated any quarantine orders back to the states. Thus, giving the governors the option to mobilize the national guard, if desired.

Obviously, using this “nuclear” option would be detrimental to any re election of anyone looking to remain in office. That all being said, the rights that would be violated by imposing such an action, would bring the nation to the brink of a civil war.

Honestly...that’s possible...but gives more credit than is due. The level of thought may not have been that high...

What is more “likely” is that the business people used their 99% ownership of policy to call it a shutdown. Based on numbers and counsel.

 

[Jrb1979]

Why? No outbreaks at WDW among guests or cast members. It don’t see anything that says they should have held up on the reopening.

First I will say I find it very sad how political and "Me First" this has become.

To answer you why they shouldn't have opened has nothing to do with outbreaks. I know most of you don't care how things are done in other countries but here they kept our theme parks closed cause they encourage people to travel from other parts of the country. We are trying to keep our cases isolated and encourage people to vacation in their own province.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The Governor of New York was calling it unconstitutional when other states where placing quarantines on people who had been in New York, but now he is all for them.

“Constitutional” keeps getting thrown around and it rarely applies.

Hard border restrictions are a violation of the Interstate Commerce Act...for one...and likely dozens of other federal statutes.

So that was the manifestation of that...

But quarantines are a different story. And that is all that has been enacted anywhere. There are steps to any travel...but you can do it.

 

[Lilofan]

Why? No outbreaks at WDW among guests or cast members. It don’t see anything that says they should have held up on the reopening.

None that's been made public..

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

First I will say I find it very sad how political and "Me First" this has become.

To answer you why they shouldn't have opened has nothing to do with outbreaks. I know most of you don't care how things are done in other countries but here they kept our theme parks closed cause they encourage people to travel from other parts of the country. We are trying to keep our cases isolated and encourage people to vacation in their own province.

Exactly...

Disney has been LUCKY... and that’s a win for everyone. So far.

But the danger of parks and travel was always creating a flashpoint for people to gather, cross their “branches” of the tree...and then go back to other “forests”

All this talk we’ve been - mostly respectfully - engaging in about annual pass availability and caps is a diversion from the problem:
Orlando runs on the out of town...long stays, air travel, timeshares, big bills and budgets.

That has to happen for “Normal”...we’re not there. Opening/reopening was and always will be at the mercy of that.

As long as the risk is perceived...doesn’t matter much what a governor says...whether he’s old, cranky and overtanned or young, stupid, bloated and overtanned.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Okay. Most political statement I'll make on this thread. What this country needs most - more than anything else. Is Political Reform.

Both sides. Both Parties. We would all be so, so, so, much better off.

...red alert, Mr. Sulu

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

...red alert, Mr. Sulu

You're right. I poofed it. I usually can catch it quick - with some guidance.

 

[brianstl]

I would ask you what you’re reading/watching...but that seems rhetorical...

Enjoy that...and I’ll move on

It is well accepted that New York has massively undercounted the amount of deaths among those living in senior/assisted living facilities because New York’s death count only includes those that died at those facilities while excluding those who were transferred to a hospital and died. When you examine all deaths in the US and exclude all of deaths from New York, the percentage of deaths who were senior/assisted living residents is 52.4%.

Apply that percentage to New York and you get 17,039 dead who were senior/assisted living residents. New York has 100,000 senior/assisted living beds. At the start of the outbreak 92% of those beds were occupied. That means 18.5% of New York’s senior/assisted living residents at the start of the outbreak are now dead from COVID-19.

 

[brianstl]

“Constitutional” keeps getting thrown around and it rarely applies.

Hard border restrictions are a violation of the Interstate Commerce Act...for one...and likely dozens of other federal statutes.

So that was the manifestation of that...

But quarantines are a different story. And that is all that has been enacted anywhere. There are steps to any travel...but you can do it.

Interesting take but Cuomo disagreed with you about quarantines a few months ago

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Saturday evening Cuomo called Rhode Island’s order “unconstitutional” and a “reactionary policy” he was willing to sue over.