OC Register - Disneyland and Universal Studios ask Newsom not to finalize theme park reopening plans just yet

[Darkbeer1]

Or pray for a vaccine in 2021 or 2022.

As for me? I'm a happy American and I will continue going to dinner parties, going out for sushi, making Target runs, getting my haircut, playing some tennis (slowly), going to the garden center for fall annuals, etc., etc. I won't be any more afraid of Covid than I am of the flu, or pneumonia, or cancer, or a drunk driver, or a lightning strike.

Enjoy life! We're all gonna die anyway.

Hey, I already died once, and I know I will die again, but doubt that I can be revived a second time. I got lucky three years ago!

And as for a vaccine, Lisa is getting hers shortly, as she is part of a trial. She didn't get it the first time, as they already had enough Caucasians. This time, they were accepting all races.

And it is clear that 4 completely full United flights, and 4 nights in Puerta Vallarta didn't give us COVID-19.

I have been meeting with folks regularly for a couple of months now, yes with a mask unless sharing a meal. Lawyers, landscapers, remodelers (New stairs next year), dentists, doctors, nurses, cable repair folks, and clients, etc.

Life is short, might as well live it every day!

 

[TP2000]

Hey, I already died once, and I know I will die again, but doubt that I can be revived a second time. I got lucky three years ago!

And as for a vaccine, Lisa is getting hers shortly, as she is part of a trial. She didn't get it the first time, as they already had enough Caucasians. This time, they were accepting all races.

It's funny you mentioned vaccine trials. I was talking this weekend with a senior who is part of one at UCSD and he asked me if he wanted to put in a good word for me to get in on it. I passed, as I know there are older folks out there who are worried about Covid and want to take part.

I'll happily stand back and wait until the stock at CVS is such that they ask you if you want a free Covid shot when you buy toothpaste.

 

[Gottalovepluto]

OC Health Care Agency Recommends Re-Opening Disneyland Resort - Anaheim Independent

The Orange County Health Care Agency is recommending Governor Newsom allow the Disneyland Resort and Knott’s Berry Farm be allowed to re-open, reported the OC Register: Local health authorities have given the green light for Disneyland and Knott’s Berry Farm to reopen while California theme...

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>>The Governor’s cavalier announcement will have real world results. Many hoteliers have been hanging on, keeping employees on furlough and paying their health care benefits in hopes the Governor would allow the Disneyland Resort and other theme parks to re-open, as he has with most other sectors of the economy. Newsom’s brush-off will lead more and more to conclude those hopes are in vein, and follow with lay-offs of their own.<<

They need to give it up, lay everyone off and cut any other possible costs while praying they survive to see DLR open at some point in the next couple years. Newsom’s position is crystal clear- theme parks aren’t opening.

 

[GimpYancIent]

They need to give it up, lay everyone off and cut any other possible costs while praying they survive to see DLR open at some point in the next couple years. Newsom’s position is crystal clear- theme parks aren’t opening.

Cut loses! Turn DL and CA into a static museum of what once was and relocate to Nevada, start over, fresh, with more land to work with. If Disney can afford to blow 5B+ in SD in the PRC, it can afford to relocate.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Cut loses! Turn DL and CA into a static museum of what once was and relocate to Nevada, start over, fresh, with more land to work with. If Disney can afford to blow 5B+ in SD in the PRC, it can afford to relocate.

Disney didn’t spend $5 billion on Shanghai Disneyland.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Just to clarify a bit here...

Australia = 25 Million People, 2,970,000 Square Miles (2.9 Million Square Miles)
California = 40 Million People, 163,696 Square Miles (That's 5% of the size of Australia)
Metropolitan Sydney = 5.3 Million People (Sydney City Limits = 4.8 Million)
Metropolitan Melbourne = 4.9 Million People (Melbourne City Limits = 4.7 Million)
Metropolitan Los Angeles = 15.3 Million People (Los Angeles City Limits = 4.0 Million, Los Angeles County = 10.1 Million)

It helps that they are an island continent nation, but Australia has always had very strict border controls, but since March 20th it has been virtually impossible to travel to Australia from any other foreign nation. There is currently no ability for a non-Australian to get into the country for tourism or business, except for very rare situations approved by their senior government.

The border controls in Australia are so strict, they won't even let Australians leave their own country. They are confined to Australia, indefinitely now. Like East Germany circa 1980.

Department of Home Affairs Website

Home Affairs brings together Australia's federal law enforcement, national and transport security, criminal justice, emergency management, multicultural affairs, settlement services and immigration and border-related functions, working together to keep Australia safe.

covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au

There is still no vaccine. Either Australia can remain cut off from the rest of the world forever and keep its population under strict curfew and travel restrictions for years to come, or Australia will need to figure out a way to manage the Covid virus that kills mainly the very elderly and sickly. Or pray for a vaccine in 2021 or 2022.

As for me? I'm a happy American and I will continue going to dinner parties, going out for sushi, making Target runs, getting my haircut, playing some tennis (slowly), going to the garden center for fall annuals, etc., etc. I won't be any more afraid of Covid than I am of the flu, or pneumonia, or cancer, or a drunk driver, or a lightning strike.

Enjoy life! We're all gonna die anyway.

You continue to contort your arguments as best you can to deflect from the fact that other nations, like Australia, have a coherent federal strategy for dealing with coronavirus. Why can't you admit that we've been a complete failure at managing coronavirus without making excuses?

Our approach has been incompetence and illogic exabberrated by willfully ignorant populations in certain regions of the country. When it comes to Disneyland's indefinate closure there's plenty of blame to go around right there in Orange County.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Disney didn’t spend $5 billion on Shanghai Disneyland.

Please corroborate this data: "The cost was initially estimated at 24.5 billion yuan (US$3.7 billion) for the theme park and an additional 4.5 billion yuan (US$700 million). That rose to around US$5.5 billion before delays, which was partly due to more attractions opening to the public on the first day, which added US$800 million to the cost."

 

[Gottalovepluto]

Please corroborate this data: "The cost was initially estimated at 24.5 billion yuan (US$3.7 billion) for the theme park and an additional 4.5 billion yuan (US$700 million). That rose to around US$5.5 billion before delays, which was partly due to more attractions opening to the public on the first day, which added US$800 million to the cost."

Wouldn’t the Chinese partner company have footed at least half the bill since Disney only owns 43% of the park?

 

[el_super]

Cut loses! Turn DL and CA into a static museum of what once was and relocate to Nevada, start over, fresh, with more land to work with. If Disney can afford to blow 5B+ in SD in the PRC, it can afford to relocate.

Why wouldn't they just relocate DLR to China then? Much more "business friendly" climate there.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Please corroborate this data: "The cost was initially estimated at 24.5 billion yuan (US$3.7 billion) for the theme park and an additional 4.5 billion yuan (US$700 million). That rose to around US$5.5 billion before delays, which was partly due to more attractions opening to the public on the first day, which added US$800 million to the cost."

As noted by @Gottalovepluto, Disney is the minority partner in Shanghai Disney Resort and paid for less than half the costs. Even the $800 million which is bolded for some reason was specifically called out as being split according to ownership when it was announced.

 

[GimpYancIent]

As noted by @Gottalovepluto, Disney is the minority partner in Shanghai Disney Resort and paid for less than half the costs. Even the $800 million which is bolded for some reason was specifically called out as being split according to ownership when it was announced.

Don't have to see it. The stench is enough.

 

[Curious Constance]

Poverty, malnutrition, homelessness, poor mental health, I’m sure are just a few of the negative consequences to the lockdowns this year. I’m not an expert on any of them, so I’ll leave others to speak to those, but what I really feel compelled to speak about over and over is education. Something I am witnessing the absolute destruction of day in and day out. My amazing daughter decided to take a full IB class load her junior and senior year. I was concerned about her taking on too much and adding to all the crazy stress kids are under, but she’s determine to get as much college credit as she can while still in high school. She has a great head on her shoulders
Anyway her high school has decided to take all classes, typically full year classes mind you, and condense them down into 12 weeks each so that kids have no more than 3 classes at one time to try and manage online. 12 weeks!!!!

She’s in her 3rd year of Spanish this year. She is hoping to take IB Spanish next year and take a Spanish certification test to be considered bilingual. Her Spanish teacher the other day on her Zoom class literally broke down in tears. She said there is just no way of covering a year of Spanish in 12 weeks, and she feels like she is failing the students and setting them up to be unprepared next year when they will be required to take the certification tests, etc. She is giving the kids extra stuff to do on their own time to try and boost their learning but in 9 weeks, she will be all done with Spanish this year and will have what 9 months? of no instruction at all until her next Spanish class where she is expected to know way more than she will be able to learn in the next 9 weeks.

Just one more example of the absolute cluster F school has become for all ages, and all academic levels.

 

[ThreadMaster5]

poor mental health

I often wonder why people bring this up. As someone who deals with anxiety my mental health is unchanged if not better. If someone is having their mental health challenged by the lockdowns which aren’t even lockdowns really they need severe help....as in this was an issue before all this and it’s just been exacerbated. If the lockdowns just ended these people most likely would still have their issues

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I often wonder why people bring this up. As someone who deals with anxiety my mental health is unchanged if not better. If someone is having their mental health challenged by the lockdowns which aren’t even lockdowns really they need severe help....as in this was an issue before all this and it’s just been exacerbated. If the lockdowns just ended these people most likely would still have their issues

What a load of crap, to say the least. I feel mental even responding to this.

Opinions like this can be be summed up as:

"It doesn't affect me, so I don't see the problem."

 

[denyuntilcaught]

What a load of crap, to say the least. I feel mental even responding to this.

Opinions like this can be be summed up as:

"It doesn't affect me, so I don't see the problem."

That's exactly the energy I got from the post as well.

 

[ThreadMaster5]

What a load of crap, to say the least. I feel mental even responding to this.

Opinions like this can be be summed up as:

"It doesn't affect me, so I don't see the problem."

Huh that’s weird..... isn’t that exactly what you and many others are saying of Covid? So strange

 

[Curious Constance]

I often wonder why people bring this up. As someone who deals with anxiety my mental health is unchanged if not better. If someone is having their mental health challenged by the lockdowns which aren’t even lockdowns really they need severe help....as in this was an issue before all this and it’s just been exacerbated. If the lockdowns just ended these people most likely would still have their issues

 

[DrAlice]

These arguments.....

 

[DLR92]

So what's the controversy with this statement? We all knew the most stringent stay-at-home orders were a blunt instrument that was needed earlier in the pandemic after it became clear that community spread could not be contained and hospitals could have been overrun. And every public health expert warned that if that intervention was successful in limiting deaths and hospitalizations, it would look like we overreacted, making the stay-at-home orders a victim of their own success.

California is not under a lockdown.
Not being able to go to Disneyland is NOT A LOCKDOWN.
Not being able to open restaurants at full capacity is NOT A LOCKDOWN.
Being able to shop at Downtown Disney but being required to wear a mask while doing so is NOT A LOCKDOWN.

Get over yourselves.

Word!!!

 

[TP2000]

You continue to contort your arguments as best you can to deflect from the fact that other nations, like Australia, have a coherent federal strategy for dealing with coronavirus. Why can't you admit that we've been a complete failure at managing coronavirus without making excuses?

Our approach has been incompetence and illogic exabberrated by willfully ignorant populations in certain regions of the country. When it comes to Disneyland's indefinate closure there's plenty of blame to go around right there in Orange County.

Hans, why can't you admit that the USA is not Belgium or Spain?

Because Australia's federal strategy has been to cut themselves off from the world, close all borders, not allow their citizens to leave their country, and implement daily curfews of 9pm on tens millions of citizens. That's a federal strategy sure, but I think it's a silly one. New Zealand is under the same full lockdown, a la' East Germany.

And how long does Australia do that for? Another year? Another decade? And for what purpose? To not let an 83 year old woman die? Because 83 year old women die, even in Australia.

The USA has no over-arching federal strategy because we are a collection of 50 states. Alaska has a very different way of life than Alabama, and Boston is a very different city than Boise.

For those thinking the USA just sucks at everything permanently, I'll remind us of the current death statistics as of October 10th. Texas is healthier than the United Kingdom, and California is healthier than France.

Oregon kicks Switzerland's butt (Go Ducks!).

The USA is far less healthy than New Zealand or Australia, but New Zealand and Australia are now island penitentiaries that no one may visit or leave from. Which in Australia's case, is terribly ironic!

Belgium = 891 Deaths Per 1 Million
Spain = 705 Deaths Per 1 Million
United Kingdom = 644 Deaths Per 1 Million
France = 488 Deaths Per 1 Million
Canada = 259 Deaths Per 1 Million
Switzerland = 245 Deaths Per 1 Million
Australia = 36 Deaths Per 1 Million

United States = 671 Deaths Per 1 Million
1. New Jersey = 1,834 Deaths Per 1 Million
2. New York = 1,716 Deaths Per 1 Million
3. Massachusetts = 1,380 Deaths Per 1 Million
12. Florida = 715 Deaths Per 1 Million
18. Texas = 588 Deaths Per 1 Million
27. California = 420 Deaths Per 1 Million
45. Oregon = 142 Deaths Per 1 Million
48. Wyoming = 93 Deaths Per 1 Million
49. Vermont = 92 Deaths Per 1 Million
50. Alaska = 82 Deaths Per 1 Million

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