OC Register - Disneyland and Universal Studios ask Newsom not to finalize theme park reopening plans just yet

[GimpYancIent]

Hans, why can't you admit that the USA is not Belgium or Spain?

Because Australia's federal strategy has been to cut themselves off from the world, close all borders, not allow their citizens to leave their country, and implement daily curfews of 9pm on tens millions of citizens. That's a federal strategy sure, but I think it's a silly one. New Zealand is under the same full lockdown, a la' East Germany.

And how long does Australia do that for? Another year? Another decade? And for what purpose? To not let an 83 year old woman die? Because 83 year old women die, even in Australia.

The USA has no over-arching federal strategy because we are a collection of 50 states. Alaska has a very different way of life than Alabama, and Boston is a very different city than Boise.

For those thinking the USA just sucks at everything permanently, I'll remind us of the current death statistics as of October 10th. Texas is healthier than the United Kingdom, and California is healthier than France.

Oregon kicks Switzerland's butt (Go Ducks!).

The USA is far less healthy than New Zealand or Australia, but New Zealand and Australia are now island penitentiaries that no one may visit or leave from. Which in Australia's case, is terribly ironic!

Belgium = 891 Deaths Per 1 Million
Spain = 705 Deaths Per 1 Million
United Kingdom = 644 Deaths Per 1 Million
France = 488 Deaths Per 1 Million
Canada = 259 Deaths Per 1 Million
Switzerland = 245 Deaths Per 1 Million
Australia = 36 Deaths Per 1 Million

United States = 671 Deaths Per 1 Million
1. New Jersey = 1,834 Deaths Per 1 Million
2. New York = 1,716 Deaths Per 1 Million
3. Massachusetts = 1,380 Deaths Per 1 Million
12. Florida = 715 Deaths Per 1 Million
18. Texas = 588 Deaths Per 1 Million
27. California = 420 Deaths Per 1 Million
45. Oregon = 142 Deaths Per 1 Million
48. Wyoming = 93 Deaths Per 1 Million
49. Vermont = 92 Deaths Per 1 Million
50. Alaska = 82 Deaths Per 1 Million

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So Ok with all those stats stated are OC, Disney and US going to continue battling the state or are Disney and US going to pull up stakes leave OC in the dust and step out of the state?

 

[TP2000]

Credit to "El Scorpion" for this one ...


"Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer," he said. "We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus," Dr Nabarro told The Spectator.

"The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we'd rather not do it."

Dr Nabarro's main criticism of lockdowns involved the global impact, explaining how poorer economies that had been indirectly affected. "Just look at what's happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren't taking their holidays," he said.

"Look what's happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what's happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition."

World Health Organisation doctor's backflip on lockdowns: Don't use them as a 'primary control'

Lockdowns have been used to control Covid-19 worldwide. Now WHO has changed its mind.

www.nzherald.co.nz

And the WHO is not alone ...

‘Irreparable damage’: Over 6,000 scientists sign petition calling for end of coronavirus lockdowns - Washington Examiner

Over 6,000 scientists signed their names to a petition calling for an end to coronavirus lockdowns, citing the “irreparable damage” they have caused."As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Just trying to separate the signal from the noise ... which is becoming much harder these days.

I was floored when I saw that on TV the other day; a bigwig Doctor from the UN World Health Organization, of all things, was vehemently trying to reel back in the lockdown strategy. And he had the foresight to look at the big picture and see the massive damage and destruction this is causing for anyone who is not in the White Collar Skype Class getting their meals delivered by Whole Foods and Doordash while they cluck their tongues at the peasants at WalMart.

I'm afraid it's too little, too late, but interesting how the "experts" are now trying to change their tune.

Poverty, malnutrition, homelessness, poor mental health, I’m sure are just a few of the negative consequences to the lockdowns this year. I’m not an expert on any of them, so I’ll leave others to speak to those, but what I really feel compelled to speak about over and over is education. Something I am witnessing the absolute destruction of day in and day out. My amazing daughter decided to take a full IB class load her junior and senior year. I was concerned about her taking on too much and adding to all the crazy stress kids are under, but she’s determine to get as much college credit as she can while still in high school. She has a great head on her shoulders
Anyway her high school has decided to take all classes, typically full year classes mind you, and condense them down into 12 weeks each so that kids have no more than 3 classes at one time to try and manage online. 12 weeks!!!!

She’s in her 3rd year of Spanish this year. She is hoping to take IB Spanish next year and take a Spanish certification test to be considered bilingual. Her Spanish teacher the other day on her Zoom class literally broke down in tears. She said there is just no way of covering a year of Spanish in 12 weeks, and she feels like she is failing the students and setting them up to be unprepared next year when they will be required to take the certification tests, etc. She is giving the kids extra stuff to do on their own time to try and boost their learning but in 9 weeks, she will be all done with Spanish this year and will have what 9 months? of no instruction at all until her next Spanish class where she is expected to know way more than she will be able to learn in the next 9 weeks.

Just one more example of the absolute cluster F school has become for all ages, and all academic levels.

I've said this for months, but the damage done to American children in 2020 and now into 2021 will be studied and looked back on horrifically for years to come. And the worst damage is being done to the poorest children, of working class or below parents. Some will never recover and will be permanently stunted socially and economically.

I just read that Portland Public Schools in Oregon has announced they will keep all public schools closed now until "through at least February, 2021". So that's going to be a full calendar year of school closures for all the public school children in Portland, Oregon. They are only doing online learning, no child is allowed on any Portland campus from Kindergarten through 12th grade.

It's criminal, but no one in Portland seems to care, or they've already moved out to the suburbs to escape.

These arguments.....

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Yeah, I know. But what else do we have? I already did a passionate screed about the difference between a Fantasyland dark ride and an Omnimover, and I already wandered around Home Depot this morning for an hour.

 

[TP2000]

So Ok with all those stats stated are OC, Disney and US going to continue battling the state or are Disney and US going to pull up stakes leave OC in the dust and step out of the state?

After what we've seen in the media in the last 60 days, with senior Disney executives speaking openly in opposition to Governor Newsom and his inaction, I think the next chapter to be written will be a legal one in the California courts.

Disney has put its senior leadership on the record with the media opposing Governor Newsom. The theme park industry trade group, representing all theme parks in California, has also gone on the record with the media opposing Governor Newsom.

And Newsom responded publicly with "I'm in no hurry on theme parks. But I'm thrilled about my new anti-coagulant rodenticide legislation I signed this week! And did you see that very attractive Tweet my lovely wife sent out yesterday for my birthday?"



I'm not sure there's much left for the California theme park industry but legal action. Lawsuits and legal wrangling in an attempt to get their parks reopened ASAP seem to be their only viable option now.

 

[BrianLo]

I've been staying out of this California take for my own sanity - but largely I am not opposed to Disney reopening in California, especially under current conditions and policies. Disney as a single entity is not going to make or break anything. Particularly if there is a focus on keeping the park mostly operating for locals.

What is interesting though is the ever slowly upward march of the US's performance. What was once a positive comparison to Wealthy Western European Nations has become a large Nation outperforming two relatively small European Nations and mostly being analogous to South America... particularly Brazil.

The excuse that the US overall has done well at controlling the pandemic (compared to other Nations) has very little basis in reality now that we've reached the Fall. Our case numbers continue to be less than and simultaneously our ability to do more remains in effect up here from what I'm hearing a lot of your describe. New Zealanders are actually quite happy with the successful containment. Painting them as prisoners is a position of jealousy.


As another aside, youth mental health definitely suffered without school. It's suffering in general before this... but it has noticeably gotten worse once all distractions from school were taken away. I'm a big proponent that school should continue to be one of the biggest priorities to keep functioning safely.

I really do not think I have really seen anyone here actually argue for a hard lockdown though. It seems to be mostly people accusing others of preaching caution and smart decision making with an extremist "lockdown for years" position.

Unfortunately we're likely barely even halfway through this journey and there is still many unforeseen bumps to come. Things have certainly changed a lot since February. I hope you are all doing well and finding moments of joy in what has been obviously a tough year for many.

 

[DLR92]

After what we've seen in the media in the last 60 days, with senior Disney executives speaking openly in opposition to Governor Newsom and his inaction, I think the next chapter to be written will be a legal one in the California courts.

Disney has put its senior leadership on the record with the media opposing Governor Newsom. The theme park industry trade group, representing all theme parks in California, has also gone on the record with the media opposing Governor Newsom.

And Newsom responded publicly with "I'm in no hurry on theme parks. But I'm thrilled about my new anti-coagulant rodenticide legislation I signed this week! And did you see that very attractive Tweet my lovely wife sent out yesterday for my birthday?"



I'm not sure there's much left for the California theme park industry but legal action. Lawsuits and legal wrangling in an attempt to get their parks reopened ASAP seem to be their only viable option now.

His actions with banning rodenticide is remarkable! Nature and wildlife is always not as priority. So props to him! Not sorry of my opinion!

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

LA has a huge rat problem.

 

[BubbaisSleep]

I've heard separately from two different groups here in the Bay Area that Disney is talking about packing up from California moving to Texas due to this whole ordeal.
As a theme park fan it was so hard to not try & roll my eyes out of my head both times, second time even harder

 

[Disney Irish]

I'd just like to put this here:

This is from this sites article on the increased crowds at WDW from this last week. This is not helpings Disney's case if they really are trying to prove to the State of California they can enforce social distancing rules.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'd just like to put this here:

This is from this sites article on the increased crowds from past week. This is not helpings Disney's case if they really are trying to prove to the State of California they can enforce social distancing rules.

Universal and SeaWorld are also not helping matters.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I'd just like to put this here:

This is from this sites article on the increased crowds at WDW from this last week. This is not helpings Disney's case if they really are trying to prove to the State of California they can enforce social distancing rules.

Isn't Florida not held to the same capacity restrictions that Disneyland would be?

I'm not sure this reflects anything on how Disneyland would be handled.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Looks like the world we lost. Makes me want to plan my next trip to Universal to save E.T. in a mask.

 

[Disney Irish]

Isn't Florida not held to the same capacity restrictions that Disneyland would be?

No, Florida has no restrictions anymore. Its only Disney's self imposed restrictions, which don't appear to be enforced even internally.

I'm not sure this reflects anything on how Disneyland would be handled.

Its perception. If Disney wanted to prove they could enforce social distancing, this isn't a good way to show it.

 

[TP2000]

I've heard separately from two different groups here in the Bay Area that Disney is talking about packing up from California moving to Texas due to this whole ordeal.
As a theme park fan it was so hard to not try & roll my eyes out of my head both times, second time even harder

That has to be one of my favorite dumb rumors to come out of this mess; that Disneyland would somehow "move" to Arizona or Texas. How are people that dumb?

I can wrap my head around the concept that if Disneyland isn't reopened by next Easter, it might never reopen and Disney would just focus on their Florida property as their sole American theme park.

But even with all the things we've been through in the last six months, I can't wrap my head around Disney going to the expense and hassle of "moving" Disneyland someplace else.

 

[Gottalovepluto]

I'd just like to put this here:

This is from this sites article on the increased crowds at WDW from this last week. This is not helpings Disney's case if they really are trying to prove to the State of California they can enforce social distancing rules.

Pretty sure we’ve discovered CA doesn’t give one whit about any theme park’s “case”. Disney is better off to go ahead and up the capacity in FL to make up a touch of that lost CA revenue because no matter what they do they aren’t opening in CA anytime soon.

 

[TP2000]

I wonder what this week will bring?

It's now the middle of October. This Wednesday, Disneyland will begin it's 8th month of closure. And still no guidelines officially released, no timeline, no information whatsoever on when Disneyland might reopen.

Quite frankly, from the information that was leaked last week, it's increasingly obvious that Disneyland won't be reopening until sometime in 2021.

But what will we learn this week in this ongoing saga, I wonder? Another round of battling media releases from industry spokesmen and bigwig executives? Only to be batted away by a bureaucratic tweet or dismissed with an off-hand comment at a rodenticide press conference? Will I be forced to watch a Fresh Baked video for the latest scoop?

 

[DLR92]

I'd just like to put this here:

This is from this sites article on the increased crowds at WDW from this last week. This is not helpings Disney's case if they really are trying to prove to the State of California they can enforce social distancing rules.

That is way to much people!

 

[DLR92]

If DL and other amusement are able to have approval, capacity should be no more than 30% of what they can actually hold. I hope Newsom would hold them all accountable if they brake any potential guidelines rules.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If DL and other amusement are able to have approval, capacity should be no more than 30% of what they can actually hold. I hope Newsom would hold them all accountable if they brake any potential guidelines rules.

That’s a rather nebulous number that is probably bigger than you anticipate.

 

[Emmanuel]

I wonder what this week will bring?

It's now the middle of October. This Wednesday, Disneyland will begin it's 8th month of closure. And still no guidelines officially released, no timeline, no information whatsoever on when Disneyland might reopen.

Quite frankly, from the information that was leaked last week, it's increasingly obvious that Disneyland won't be reopening until sometime in 2021.

But what will we learn this week in this ongoing saga, I wonder? Another round of battling media releases from industry spokesmen and bigwig executives? Only to be batted away by a bureaucratic tweet or dismissed with an off-hand comment at a rodenticide press conference? Will I be forced to watch a Fresh Baked video for the latest scoop?

Spoiler Alert: The people up in Sacramento will go home at 4pm on a hot Friday evening for the weekend with them not doing much the whole week while we continue debating online

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Hans, why can't you admit that the USA is not Belgium or Spain?

Because Australia's federal strategy has been to cut themselves off from the world, close all borders, not allow their citizens to leave their country, and implement daily curfews of 9pm on tens millions of citizens. That's a federal strategy sure, but I think it's a silly one. New Zealand is under the same full lockdown, a la' East Germany.

And how long does Australia do that for? Another year? Another decade? And for what purpose? To not let an 83 year old woman die? Because 83 year old women die, even in Australia.

The USA has no over-arching federal strategy because we are a collection of 50 states. Alaska has a very different way of life than Alabama, and Boston is a very different city than Boise.

For those thinking the USA just sucks at everything permanently, I'll remind us of the current death statistics as of October 10th. Texas is healthier than the United Kingdom, and California is healthier than France.

Oregon kicks Switzerland's butt (Go Ducks!).

The USA is far less healthy than New Zealand or Australia, but New Zealand and Australia are now island penitentiaries that no one may visit or leave from. Which in Australia's case, is terribly ironic!

Belgium = 891 Deaths Per 1 Million
Spain = 705 Deaths Per 1 Million
United Kingdom = 644 Deaths Per 1 Million
France = 488 Deaths Per 1 Million
Canada = 259 Deaths Per 1 Million
Switzerland = 245 Deaths Per 1 Million
Australia = 36 Deaths Per 1 Million

United States = 671 Deaths Per 1 Million
1. New Jersey = 1,834 Deaths Per 1 Million
2. New York = 1,716 Deaths Per 1 Million
3. Massachusetts = 1,380 Deaths Per 1 Million
12. Florida = 715 Deaths Per 1 Million
18. Texas = 588 Deaths Per 1 Million
27. California = 420 Deaths Per 1 Million
45. Oregon = 142 Deaths Per 1 Million
48. Wyoming = 93 Deaths Per 1 Million
49. Vermont = 92 Deaths Per 1 Million
50. Alaska = 82 Deaths Per 1 Million

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