Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Only if it overpowered the odour of bull-ertha kitt that surrounds you.
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NYT: "Universal....Takes Aim at Disney"
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menamechris
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I am not sure when this became so important to Disney megafans. Especially considering some of the worst examples of this type of show are found at WDW. Just a FEW examples off the top of my head -
1) Walking from Tomorrowland to Main Street or on the Peoplemove, you can clearly see the backsides of Main Street U.S.A. building - the same as being able to see a show building - they aren't even painted uniform to try and blend in.
2) Riding the WDW Railroad, you can now see an employee parking lot/backstage area on your way back to the Main Street, U.S.A. station. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore with bushes. You literally look to your right, and there is backstage...In addition, when I rode a couple weeks ago - on your way to the Storybook Circus station, you are going to be able to see the entire backside of the Fantasyland expansion. B&B and Mermain showbuildings right there. I really have no idea how they could hide it. It's right there - and they aren't going to build a forest to block it.
3) Swan & Dolphin from Epcot....needs no further explanation. It's pathetic.
4) Have we forgotten that there used to be a Skyride through MK? That showed the tops of the buildings and some pretty good backstages areas?
So when exactly did the rule come to be that Disney was the perfect standard when it came to show again?
jt04
Well-Known Member
The design team should have insisted the show building not be visible. Theme park design has evolved to the point such oversights should not happen anymore. Especially when claiming a 'revolutionary' step forward for theme park design.
I think WDW fixed the MSUSA issue after the Galaxy was removed. If they do go forward with the rumored TL overhaul I am certain any remaining immersion issues will be fixed. Just look at the expense they are going to with the FLE! Amazing.
As for the WDW Railroad, that is something I have always felt needed to be addressed. I have a strong hunch there are other considerations that keep Disney from plussing the show scenes. But this is not something I care to discuss here in detail. Likely safety related.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Just one of those side effects of my scottish heritage. I do my best though. Bet you didn't know we were kin.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Just one of those side effects of my scottish heritage. I do my best though. Bet you didn't know we were kin.
Every family has its window licking cousin.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Not just ride tech. Star Trek the experience was an example where Disney was surpassed in many different areas. Actors, 360 immersion, pre and post shows, etc. It didn't try to clone Disney, it took the core elements that made Disney attractions good and applied them in other areas and took even better ideas and incorporated them. Like live actors instead of just automated maniquins or tape tracks.
Themed experiences? Walk through the Venetian in Vegas and see detail, scale, service and end to end that trumps any Disney resort. And that was what.. almost 20 years ago now?
RedSox said "The quality of Disney World has stayed the same or lowered. The problem is the competition is getting closer to Disney's level."
And you said you've been hearing that since UNI opened... well that's because it's been true since the 90s. Everyone else has been catching up while Disney has been mostly flat. The huge gap between your state fair and the MK worked for Disney in the 70s to establish Disney as head and shoulders above everyone else... but that is no longer the case.
Personally my worst example of ruining sight lines is at Disneyland Paris where you can see the Green Army Men Parachute Jump in Toy Story Playland from within the Disneyland Park. Not only a grey wall, but a garish carnival ride...
BigThunderMatt
Well-Known Member
The sightlines are from Main Street, USA itself. Not the PeopleMover. Those sightlines have been there forever and nothing has been done to fix them. You can see the backside of the MSUSA buildings from as close as the Plaza Restaurant and Casey's Corner. You can even see them from the Chapeau and the train station on Main Street.
The WDW Railroad sightlines have nothing to do with safety. It's just horticulture being cheap and lazy.
asianway
Well-Known Member
I won't...
Anyone care to comment on the asinine strategy of inviting the Orlando lifestylers to the Carsland opening when that product puts WDW to shame?
flynnibus
Premium Member
Because they will gush about Disney... the Disney brand... not about their park vs that park. Excitement about your product is marketing.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
People make it sound as if Harry Potter and te Forbidden Journey is sitting a warehouse with just a few pieces tacked on. The show building is most visible from the extended queue. It's not exactly what you see leaving Hogsmeade. I am less concerned about the visibility from Jurassic Park as that setting does befit large utilitarian structures.
They won't make mention of the differences because then they won't get the free trips to California or on the Cruise Line to go along with what they get at Walt Disney World.
StageFrenzy
Well-Known Member
Haven't told you that I'm glad you're back, but I'm glad you're back.
In the Universal forums, I posted how the ticket price stupidity is one of the ways they are saying bring on the comparisons. I think Comcast/Uni is saying bring it on to Disney and the response so far has been Princesses!%#%@!.
HenryMystic
Well-Known Member
And when you're flown to every event for free, DisneyParks becomes one entity to you. The cost and burden of all the traveling between resorts to experience new things is lost on you at that point. RSR means nothing to someone going to WDW. It only serves as a reminder of things we don't get.
jt04
Well-Known Member
I must say I'm a bit shocked you know about windows. You know the new kind even open.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
I must say I'm a bit shocked you know about windows. You know the new kind even open.
Yes, Ive been using computers since the 80s, though to be fair I started in DOS.
jt04
Well-Known Member
I don't notice these so much but I agree they should fix them if possible.
Watch the CM's next time you are on the train. They are concerned about guests jumping on or off the train. That is why I think the brush has been cut back. Either that or there is a group of grizzlies stalking the trains.
menamechris
Well-Known Member
So Universal has less than perfect "show" and they are subpar, cheap, and below "Disney quality". Disney does it, however, and you either (a) choose to cast a blind eye to it, or (b) make up some excuse for them that makes no sense. Just so we are clear...
jt04
Well-Known Member
Judging by ticket sales I am not the only one who sees a difference between Disney and Uni. When Uni builds a massive geodesic dome, a roller coaster on par with BTMRR, or a Safari ride that makes you feel like you really are in an exotic foreign land get back to me and let me know. I will be on the next plane to Orlando.
Zummi Gummi
Pioneering the Universe Within!
That's all a matter of opinion, of course. I would argue that the attractions Universal has developed in the past 5 years far outdo anything Disney has developed.