Not good but saw it coming

[GothMickey]

Really...mmmmm, please tell me some of the medications that physicians give to people that suffer form "left handedness" so they don't die???

I hope this was a joke of a post.. Cause obviosuly you didn't get what he meant.. HBP is common and not a reason someone would die from a ride.. Come on now...

 

[WDWGuide]

you got to be kidding me... Peter Pan?? OK, an older man slips on the conveyer belt and gets pinned beneath a ride vehicle... being compared to someone going on a ride where the intensity kills them... Hmm, yea I can see where these are the same...

That was posted in response to someone who said that no ride with even the slightest potential of causing a death belonged at WDW. My point was to illustrate that there would be no WDW (or at least no rides) if that were the only criterion - because of what I said - some people leave their sanity at home when they go to WDW. You can foolproof an attraction all you want, there's always going to be a greater fool out there who'll find a way to get him or herself hurt somehow.

As for M:S, time will tell what will happen. If the ride is at fault, it needs to be fixed. If it is not, then Disney will have to figure out how to convince the public of that fact and how to keep people from ignoring the safety instructions. I am not sure if that is possible. Time will tell...

 

[GothMickey]

Watch out GothMickey, people are going to say that the ride didn't kill him and it was just some chance happening that he died. Yeah....Riiiiight....

Turnip, that is because they are Disney/Eisner apologists and that fits their agenda on here.. Push Eisner and Disney cause they do no wrong.. Flame me people, i know you will.. but whatever... Disney isn't perfect, let's face facts.. They created one monster of a problem of an attraction and they are now going to have to attone for this error in judgement... unfortunately 2 people are dead now cause of this blunder...

 

[prberk]

Disney reopened Mission:Space this morning, after state and Disney officials declared it operating properly:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?p=1587901#post1587901

 

[ToTBellHop]

I hope this was a joke of a post.. Cause obviosuly you didn't get what he meant.. HBP is common and not a reason someone would die from a ride.. Come on now...

Um...I see your medical knowledge is nonexistent. There are many things you can die from if you have hypertension, which is why there are so many drugs to treat it. People die much younger if they have it. If you have hypertension, it's harder for your blood to get around your body, so if you apply g-forces pushing the blood down to your feet, unlike us normal 120/80 people, you will have trouble getting blood back to your head, and get light headed. Sustained g-forces can cause you to pass out and also allow clots to form in any of the body's organ systems, causing such wonderful effects over subsequent hours as a heart attack, kidney failure, or a complete shut-down of the brain. Just b/c HBP is common doesn't mean it can't do anything. Obesity is also common, and it kills people. Heart disease is common and it kills people. Stupidity is common and it kills people.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Turnip, that is because they are Disney/Eisner apologists and that fits their agenda on here.. Push Eisner and Disney cause they do no wrong.. Flame me people, i know you will.. but whatever... Disney isn't perfect, let's face facts.. They created one monster of a problem of an attraction and they are now going to have to attone for this error in judgement... unfortunately 2 people are dead now cause of this blunder...

Yeah...attone or reopen the ride b/c they were deemed not at fault by the people with the degrees...oh, yeah...they reopened the ride. Guess you were wrong.

 

[GothMickey]

What about their medical condition? There are warnings for the ride.

Undiagnosed?? Undected??? Wasn't that the case for the 4 year old boy? Even his doctors didn't know he had a condition????

 

[Timmay]

This is in fact a tragic incident...as was the one in June, no doubt about it.

Please, though, those that are saying that the ride "killed them" or that the "intensity of the ride killed them" in my opinion is very silly. Please post any, I mean any, kind of proof that this is the case. At the very least, the ride may have caused the persons condition to be exacerbated to the point where it was fatal (It could have just as easily been walking up steps, heat, an adrenaline rush, etc)

Any person, especially those with preexisting medical conditions (like the ones those really big signs warn you about before you get on these rides) faces some type of risk by going on certain attractions. To some, those risks are acceptable, to others they are not. I am sure not going to judge one way or the other, as I am not going to go completely overboard with calling rides “death traps” and saying “the ride killed her, the ride killed her”.

I think it is coming to light that some people really, really hate M:S. Fine, but let’s not use this sad incident as an excuse to push your agenda…talk about bad taste. I am clearly not a “Disney apologist”…I think many know that as a fact, so don’t even try that argument.

 

[GothMickey]

Since Disney has indicated that this woman may have had both high blood pressure and other conditions, it seems it was her fault, not the ride's. Every thrill ride at Disney could kill someone with certain conditions. I don't think that means there should be no thrill rides. It means people with conditions listed on the warning signs should actually follow the rules. Why do we accept some of the rules, like height requirement, but not others, like "if your blood pressure is 300/240, you probably shouldn't ride"

Did you honestly think Disney would spin it any other way????

 

[GothMickey]

Um...I see your medical knowledge is nonexistent. There are many things you can die from if you have hypertension, which is why there are so many drugs to treat it. People die much younger if they have it. If you have hypertension, it's harder for your blood to get around your body, so if you apply g-forces pushing the blood down to your feet, unlike us normal 120/80 people, you will have trouble getting blood back to your head, and get light headed. Sustained g-forces can cause you to pass out and also allow clots to form in any of the body's organ systems, causing such wonderful effects over subsequent hours as a heart attack, kidney failure, or a complete shut-down of the brain. Just b/c HBP is common doesn't mean it can't do anything. Obesity is also common, and it kills people. Heart disease is common and it kills people. Stupidity is common and it kills people.[/quote]

Never mind.. I was going to answer your stupidity comment, but decided against it.

 

[GothMickey]

:wave:

*your posts has been reported*

Thank you... Because this proves to me that people on here try to get rid of those who do not agree...

 

[ToTBellHop]

Any other way than "she had high blood pressure and we tell people with high blood pressure not to ride"? It's a true statement. It isn't Disney's fault when people don't follow directions much like it is not the road designer's fault when someone drives on the wrong side of the road and dies. They weren't following directions either.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Um...I see your medical knowledge is nonexistent. There are many things you can die from if you have hypertension, which is why there are so many drugs to treat it. People die much younger if they have it. If you have hypertension, it's harder for your blood to get around your body, so if you apply g-forces pushing the blood down to your feet, unlike us normal 120/80 people, you will have trouble getting blood back to your head, and get light headed. Sustained g-forces can cause you to pass out and also allow clots to form in any of the body's organ systems, causing such wonderful effects over subsequent hours as a heart attack, kidney failure, or a complete shut-down of the brain. Just b/c HBP is common doesn't mean it can't do anything. Obesity is also common, and it kills people. Heart disease is common and it kills people. Stupidity is common and it kills people.[/quote]

i see you lower yourself down to now call people stupid??? Wow, very mature.

You have clearly not been to Disney World if you don't think there are stupid people there. But, at least you didn't try to question my knowledge of hypertension.

 

[GothMickey]

Yeah...attone or reopen the ride b/c they were deemed not at fault by the people with the degrees...oh, yeah...they reopened the ride. Guess you were wrong.

Did you honestly expect Disney NOT to reopen the ride and subject themselves to more accusations of fault and the appearance of guilt???

 

[wannab@dis]

Thank you... Because this proves to me that people on here try to get rid of those who do not agree...

Not trying to get rid of you... just trying to get you to calm down and use a little sense when posting. I know I will be able to read my posts tomorrow and not feel like I was out of bounds... Can you say the same?

 

[Timmay]

I hope this was a joke of a post.. Cause obviosuly you didn't get what he meant.. HBP is common and not a reason someone would die from a ride.. Come on now...

Again...really? You know this how, Dr Goth? You of course must be a physician, or a the least have some type of medical background to know that hypertension is "not a reason someone would die from a ride"

If hypertension were not serious, I wonder why it is treated with medication? I wonder why there are many warnings regarding hypertension posted prior to getting on many thrill rides?

 

[Shaman]

Thank you... Because this proves to me that people on here try to get rid of those who do not agree...

Take up your concerns with Steve or resolve things through PMs please...there really is no need to make statements like this....

:wave:

 

[LPK]

Undiagnosed?? Undected??? Wasn't that the case for the 4 year old boy? Even his doctors didn't know he had a condition????

But he had a medical condition. So how can anyone possibly blame Disney when it was the boy with the problem? :veryconfu Would people prefer it if Disney made you have a test before riding to make sure you are well enough to ride?

 

[JimboJones123]

What's up with all the "she deserved it" attitude....

Maybe all you people will get hit by the karma train -- hard... be careful folks. I've already been hit by it, so I can damn whoever I wish!

 

[GothMickey]

You have clearly not been to Disney World if you don't think there are stupid people there. But, at least you didn't try to question my knowledge of hypertension.

I did edit my posts to remove that comment but whatever... And I didn't question hypertension because I know people who suffer from it and what they can and cannot do... in fact, i was once diagnosed with HBP and when asked my ndoctor said i can lead a normal life and go on coasters and other rides.. in fact, i did ask him if I could go on M:S.. he held back a response until he actually looked into the ride experience, by of course researching and he said the ride would have no affect on me... I did go on and did not get sick...