Not good but saw it coming

[1stStarIC2nite]

This is sad. I really think Disney will do something with this ride. Let's look at it from their view.
-two people have died on a ride.
-caused bad press, resulting in most guests thinking it's too intense for them.
-not many people riding because of this.
-we spent over $100 million on this ride.
-not many people buying merch at the shop. As soon as they get off, they want to move on.
The bad press this ride has gotten may spell doom for this ride. Mainly because the press has scared so many people into not riding. You can tell them anything, and they'll still see it as "two people died on this ride. It must be scary! I'll go see that turtle talking thing instead, or get a skip the lines pass for Soaring." Lines were short as it is. I don't think that they'll be enough of a attendence or profit from the shop to keep it running. Disney will do something. We just have to wait quietly and see.

I think you're right. Disney is getting slammed in the public eye over these two events. Now, people are going to say things like "well... I wonder if I have health issues I don't even know about, etc. etc." which ultimately will cause much lower attendance than there already is. I personally think Mission: Space kind of bombed... like ToT at DCA did... I'm for doing something with it... even getting rid of it... I don't think I'd miss it that much

 

[wannab@dis]

How many deaths are acceptable before Disney decides it has to go?

Ugh.... how many people died yesterday driving to work? How many died yesterday walking around in a mall? These things happen and the stimuli that agravated a condition is not always to blame.


We don't even know for sure that's what happened this latest incident. How about stopping with the "blame everyone else" mentality until we know for sure that blame is necessary.

 

[Thessair]

First, as most everyone has, I’d like to express condolences to the family for their tragic loss. Death, especially suddenly, is something that it is truly difficult to reconcile in our hearts and minds.

. . .

And now my generally long-winded bit of opinion.

I’m pretty much the person the warning signs were made for. I’ve got just about everything on the list except an actual cardiac condition and, last time I checked, I wasn’t pregnant. I know there are dangers when I step foot on most everything, but I still do it. Oddly enough, M:S has no effect on me whatsoever. Space Mountain tends to make me feel a little weird sometimes and Rockin’ Rollercoaster makes my BP spike like mad. (So I generally only hit that once or twice a trip.)

I understand that M:S can aggravate existing conditions and that people can only protect themselves from issues they know they have. However, I personally think the exploration aspect of the attraction is very much in theme with its location and it would be a shame to see it go. (I loved Horizons to no end, but I like M:S, too.) People need to feel comfortable with what they’re doing. If M:S intimidates you, or the media coverage turns you off, by all means pass it by. If you know the deal and still want to climb on, go for that.

I’m not saying that the people that die in connection with these rides are at fault. I’m also not saying the Disney is at fault. But I don’t see how they can prepare any attraction that doesn’t have some potential for harm. Will that stop me from visiting? Not a chance in heck. Will that stop me from riding? Nope. I have to be conscious of the choices I make and the possible consequences of those decisions. Some people claim that the parks need more thrill rides to appeal to younger guests. It stands to reason that the more thrilling these things get, the larger the potential for risk.

Hopefully, in the end, M:S can scrape by with modifications. I’d hate to see it shut down completely. With everything we do, there is a chance that something could go wrong. But I, personally, can’t live in fear of those risks. Life is short and I’ll be trying to spend as much of it as possible in the parks. :animwink:

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[Laura]

Aww what horrible news. I can't imagine losing a family member on vacation.

Emotions aside, I think no amount of warnings are going to stop people from riding. That's the whole point of being a "thrill-seeker", risking it all for the chance at exhilaration. People tempt fate whenever they get in a car, cross the street, or get on a ride. So accidents are bound to happen. It's no one's fault, just part of life.

 

[dxwwf3]

It's no one's fault, just part of life.

That's the way I feel too.

 

[GothMickey]

The sheer intensity of MS has killed no one. We are not sure of the exact condition of this woman, but we know she had high blood pressure, and Disney warned her not to ride. Wheter or not the warning is serious or just a way for Disney to cover their butts is not the issue. The boy who died on thie ride was FOUR years old and had an enlarged heart. The ride may have aggrevated both of these conditions, but in know way did the sheer intensity of the ride kill anybody.

I been reading this and did not want to get involved because this thread is getting horrible.. However, I need to respond to this post. You are wrong 1,000,000 times over... The sheer intensity killed that 4 year old boy.. it aggravated his condition.. True, he could have been playing tag and died, but he wasn't.. he was on M:S... The ride caused his condition to kill him... Blame the ride...

 

[GothMickey]

1.) Nevermind - I don't want this taken the wrong way

2.) Even Peter Pan almost killed a guy recently. Virtually everything at WDW has the potential to be deadly. What es me off is that people think that, just because the big sign above the road says "Disney", they can leave all sanity behind and enjoy delusions of immortality. Please note that I am not alledging this in this particular case, but it does happen all too often.

I hope they got to the bottom of this and if the ride is at fault, do what is necessary. I hope not, but safety comes first (especially when it is NOT the fault of guest stupidity)

you got to be kidding me... Peter Pan?? OK, an older man slips on the conveyer belt and gets pinned beneath a ride vehicle... being compared to someone going on a ride where the intensity kills them... Hmm, yea I can see where these are the same...

 

[Timmay]

Saying you shouldn't ride an attraction with basic "high blood pressure" is like saying "Don't ride if you're left handed."

Really...mmmmm, please tell me some of the medications that physicians give to people that suffer form "left handedness" so they don't die???

 

[MAF]

Watch out GothMickey, people are going to say that the ride didn't kill him and it was just some chance happening that he died. Yeah....Riiiiight....

 

[GothMickey]

Gotta agree with you. That's how I'm reading his posts also.





While it's a horrible tradgedy... there's not enough information for any of us to be able to form an opinion at this time. There's been deaths on thrill rides many times and it will continue to happen. Sometimes the cause is the ride. Sometimes it's due to a pre-existing condition. Sometimes it just takes time to figure out what happened. We need to wait until the people in a place to look at the facts investigate all possible conclusions.

For those blaming the attraction or blaming the lady, give it a rest. At this time both conclusions have very little merit. Furthermore, anyone using this tradgedy as a bullypulpit to get rid of M:S... well, that's just downright despicable.

I read his posts and that is NOT how i took it... You seem to take everyone's posts the way YOU want to take them to fit your agenda on these boards which is you don't agree with me therefore you are wrong so I will twist your opinion to make you look wrong and make me look right..

I have been holding back on posting here bacsue this board has too many know it alls who right away attack those that are not Disney apologists and who disagree with the majority on this board.. My comments will now probably get me banned, but I have to let my feelings out.... I am entitled am I not?

 

[GothMickey]

Up to now there is still no proof that M:S has "killed" anyone.

4 year old boy, 49 year old woman... proof enough

 

[LPK]

The media will be the people to kill M:S. It is not Disneys fault if someone has a health problem and fail to realise. Warnings are given for a reason.

What about the Peter Pan ride? Someone got injured on that, so should that be removed from the park because it might cause more injuries in the future?

You go on M:S; you see the signs; you take the risk.

 

[GothMickey]

You do not believe M:S was the cause, but it was responsible for agrivating a condition? I guess they send out a CM to personally every person to get on a ride. Walking out into the SUN agrivates many conditions. Should Disney be responsible for the people that don't wear enough sun screen and then get sick in the park?

Society needs to stop looking for scapegoats and blaming others. Take personal responsibility for personal choices!

EDIT: I see you edited your post... so I think the addition makes it clear WHY you made your points.

Again, twisting things around to fit your agenda... Did Disney create the sun? NO.. Therefore what can Disney do about that?? however, Disney did create M:S.. so a share os responsibility needs to go to Disney...

 

[LPK]

4 year old boy, 49 year old woman... proof enough

What about their medical condition? There are warnings for the ride.

 

[GothMickey]

As long as the ride stays open, I will feel 1,000% safe on it. I've ridden it about 40 times and I've never even felt the slightest effects afterwards.

And yes I agree with AMartin767 that I would rather have Horizons there, but that really makes to difference to this situation. I still love Mission Space and it would suck if it has to go soon.

I guess I'll never get my dream of Disney making of the centrifuges more intense, eh? It's a shame all of this has happened.

That's you... But what about the hundreds who HAVE gotten sick and now the 2 that died????

 

[mousermerf]

Just a note for anyone who thinks this wont be badpress and glossed over in the mind of the general public...

After it was released, there was at first only 1, then after about 2 hours only 3 news agencies covering the story.

Roughly 12 hours later, online there are 750+ seperate agencies reporting this, from Miami to New Mexico. Even national news like Newsweek is reporting it. This doesn't include any television reports or things like CNN and or anything - just articles posted online thus far.

All of the articles "imply" the intesity of the attraction is to blame.

I don't think Disney is going to get out of this without alteringthe attraction.

 

[wannab@dis]

I read his posts and that is NOT how i took it... You seem to take everyone's posts the way YOU want to take them to fit your agenda on these boards which is you don't agree with me therefore you are wrong so I will twist your opinion to make you look wrong and make me look right..

I have been holding back on posting here bacsue this board has too many know it alls who right away attack those that are not Disney apologists and who disagree with the majority on this board.. My comments will now probably get me banned, but I have to let my feelings out.... I am entitled am I not?

Wow... where did that come from?

Because you don't agree with me, you write this post? You say that I take posts the way I want to take them? Isn't that basically what you just did in the highlighted portion above?

I took quotes and used them as evidence to back up my post. In fact, I was agreeing with another poster. Why not go after them?

Where are your facts? Go grab some posts and quote them to prove that I "attack" someone because I don't agree. Show me a quote where I "twisted" anyone's opinion or their post. If you got a problem with me, put me on ignore. But for your information.... I haven't attacked ANYONE in my posts. If you have a problem with any of my posts, report them and let the mods decide.

Have a magical day! :wave:

 

[ToTBellHop]

Since Disney has indicated that this woman may have had both high blood pressure and other conditions, it seems it was her fault, not the ride's. Every thrill ride at Disney could kill someone with certain conditions. I don't think that means there should be no thrill rides. It means people with conditions listed on the warning signs should actually follow the rules. Why do we accept some of the rules, like height requirement, but not others, like "if your blood pressure is 300/240, you probably shouldn't ride"

 

[GothMickey]

Ugh.... how many people died yesterday driving to work? How many died yesterday walking around in a mall? These things happen and the stimuli that agravated a condition is not always to blame.


We don't even know for sure that's what happened this latest incident. How about stopping with the "blame everyone else" mentality until we know for sure that blame is necessary.

You just don't get it... How can you compare people dying on the way to work to people dying from riding an inteste attraction that has been known to cause illness??? Further pushing your Disney apologist agenda????

 

[wannab@dis]

Again, twisting things around to fit your agenda... Did Disney create the sun? NO.. Therefore what can Disney do about that?? however, Disney did create M:S.. so a share os responsibility needs to go to Disney...

You just don't get it... How can you compare people dying on the way to work to people dying from riding an inteste attraction that has been known to cause illness??? Further pushing your Disney apologist agenda????

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