Norway Pavilion Frozen construction - Frozen Ever After ride

[Goofyernmost]

So you wouldn't have mind it Frozen replaced say, The Seas with Nemo or Imagination? Both had smaller number of riders.

I guess for the seas all they would have to do is freeze the water... Let's talk sensibly here, ok? Imagination? In its current state replacing it with a landfill would be a major improvement.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Yes I am sure it was first tier for FP and yes often it was the 3rd longest line in the park (after Soarin and TT). I'm not imagining things.

Sounds like a very strong attempt to get people to go to it since it was primarily empty. All the newbie's wouldn't know any better. It didn't stay that way though did it? Prisons are full too, that doesn't mean people want to be there.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

And that is one of the most frustrating aspects of the park. The facilities are already there. The buildings are standing and usable. The ride systems are available. There are obsolete spare parts to consider (Energy) and curtailed track length to reinstate (Imagaination) but half the battle could be already won. Energy could again be a dramatic theatrical epic. Wonders could have a state of the art simulator ride and a classic multimedia show. Imagination is crying out to once again be an awe inspiring, cohesive building with a stellar E ticket dark ride for the 21st century. The Land has a superb theatre ready for a new presentation. There is tens of thousands of square foot of exhibit space still lit, cooled and standing empty. There's a whole restaurant building ready for use.

It is a crying shame so much could be gained for so little relative outlay.

I feel like they wont do anything to update these pavillions unless they have a sponser.

 

[aladdin2007]

I feel like they wont do anything to update these pavillions unless they have a sponser.

Sadly it does seem that way. The whole sponsor thing doesn't seem to work well anymore when it comes to large pavilions, companies don't want to pay the bloated costs just from the research/design alone as it is from imagineering....Okay I guess we should back to Norway and frozen here....Do you all hear the those construction sounds coming from inside? I wonder if the waterfall rocks are still there.

 

[marni1971]

Sounds like a very strong attempt to get people to go to it since it was primarily empty.

It didn't need any attempt. Even before the Fastpass "plus" debacle it had lines whenever we visited. I wish it had been primarily empty. It would have been easier to shoot.

Though, as @raven says it often had the third often longest line in the park.

 

[ToTBellHop]

OK, maybe when you were there, but, never when I was. Were all the rest of the rides down at the time?

I routinely saw long lines at the attraction. Mostly due to low capacity. I am imagining 240-minute waits for FEA...

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

I feel like they wont do anything to update these pavillions unless they have a sponser.

Does Disney have someone in charge to get sponsorship for EPCOT? If Disney wants to improve EPCOT and want to hold onto the idea of pavillion sponsorship, then the first step would be to appoint someone in charge of that and make them accountable for that aspect of the park.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Does Disney have someone in charge to get sponsorship for EPCOT? If Disney wants to improve EPCOT and want to hold onto the idea of pavillion sponsorship, then the first step would be to appoint someone in charge of that and make them accountable for that aspect of the park.

With today's social media and cable TV, sponsorship is no longer a good return on investment for most companies. Sponsorship back when, was good because it got exposure to thousands that went to the place for something other then advertising. In its time, there was no widespread internet and only three major networks. Now, there is not much that a company can promote in a pavilion that either won't be obsolete within a few months or isn't already well known. I'd hate to be that guy responsible for sponsorship working on a commission basis.

Eventually, Disney will have to realize that if they intend to remain current, they have to invest in it themselves and stop relying on others to pay for their income flow.

 

[Goofyernmost]

It didn't need any attempt. Even before the Fastpass "plus" debacle it had lines whenever we visited. I wish it had been primarily empty. It would have been easier to shoot.

Though, as @raven says it often had the third often longest line in the park.

OK, I'll take your word for it. However, I must have a serious sense of timing because, with the exception of shortly after it opened, it was nothing more then a ghost town when I visited.

Also having the third largest line at Epcot, considering the fact that most of them do not really have lines because of capacity and design, I'm not sure that is a great accomplishment. It is going for some reason and I doubt it is because it was to popular for its own good. I'd be comfortable in saying that it had the longest line in all of World Showcase, but, that wouldn't be difficult. There are times when the ice cream snack carts have longer lines then some of the attractions.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

With today's social media and cable TV, sponsorship is no longer a good return on investment for most companies. Sponsorship back when, was good because it got exposure to thousands that went to the place for something other then advertising. In its time, there was no widespread internet and only three major networks. Now, there is not much that a company can promote in a pavilion that either won't be obsolete within a few months or isn't already well known. I'd hate to be that guy responsible for sponsorship working on a commission basis.

Eventually, Disney will have to realize that if they intend to remain current, they have to invest in it themselves and stop relying on others to pay for their income flow.

Great points! I sometimes forget that social media has taken over the world. You can tweet or # anything and it goes out to millions without spending a Penny. A scary thing could happen. Gut EPCOT and make it a theme park like the other parks - mirroring the MK. Could happen. The Frozen girls put a dent in the WS.

 

[Matt_Black]

With today's social media and cable TV, sponsorship is no longer a good return on investment for most companies. Sponsorship back when, was good because it got exposure to thousands that went to the place for something other then advertising. In its time, there was no widespread internet and only three major networks. Now, there is not much that a company can promote in a pavilion that either won't be obsolete within a few months or isn't already well known. I'd hate to be that guy responsible for sponsorship working on a commission basis.

Bullpuckey. Look at how much money stadiums get from naming rights. Even if sponsorship doesn't work, no one has told major companies that.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Great points! I sometimes forget that social media has taken over the world. You can tweet or # anything and it goes out to millions without spending a Penny. A scary thing could happen. Gut EPCOT and make it a theme park like the other parks - mirroring the MK. Could happen. The Frozen girls put a dent in the WS.

So did Donald, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the trend continues at a rapid pace.

 

[marni1971]

There are times when the ice cream snack carts have longer lines then some of the attractions.

Same for Electric Umbrella...

 

[Goofyernmost]

Bullpuckey. Look at how much money stadiums get from naming rights. Even if sponsorship doesn't work, no one has told major companies that.

There is a difference between having signs around an arena or pushing their product to a select target audience then randomly having to spend millions to maintain and up keep a pavilion and having a hit or miss audience. Besides having a name published there is also the expense of having something for people to see once inside. Comparably, arena sponsorship is parking meter change. So bullpuckey right back at ya!

 

[Matt_Black]

So bullpuckey right back at ya!

Them's fightin' words. Have at thee!

 

[raven]

Eventually, Disney will have to realize that if they intend to remain current, they have to invest in it themselves and stop relying on others to pay for their income flow.

You mean like the over $10mil they made this weekend on marathon fees alone? Nah, gate prices will go up again in a month. They are gonna keep that $.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

So did Donald, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the trend continues at a rapid pace.

I was going to mention The Donald but thought people wouldn't appreciate it

 

[KikoKea]

Any ideas on where all those strollers that flock to the new Frozen ride are going? The pathway, like most areas around WS is not very wide and cannot accommodate a stroller park- bad enough walking around the lake when it is crowded already. Maybe they will have an area near the new construction next door? Or the small alley between Norway and China? I'm thinking they are going to be overrun with strollers so they better have a plan and a large area for them.

I forgot what the new construction for. Bathrooms and a meet and greet?

 

[raven]

I forgot what the new construction for. Bathrooms and a meet and greet?

Meet & Greet, bathrooms, vault, Iger's "Money Play Pit", etc.

 

[spiritofNorway]

I forgot what the new construction for. Bathrooms and a meet and greet?

A twice the size women bathroom in a new building and the current men and women bathroom becomes the mens.
And yea, a big meet and greet building. Maybe something else as well? Its quite the space for a meet and greet...?