No Segways, theme parks tell disabled

scpergj

Well-Known Member
Your father sounds like Tim the Toolman, but I think that they the segways may be able to be clocked down so they can't go that fast.

He would have loved that comparison!

He added larger tires (to change the gear ratio and make it run faster), updated the batteries from lead-acid to gel cels, and made his own holder for his oxygen bottles. He only used the highest speeds when doing things like riding his scooter to the store - the batteries didn't last as long when running fast!
 

TOCPE82

Well-Known Member
Disabled, Schmisabled. If you can't walk, Disney offers alternatives. Wheelchairs, ECVs, etc. Banning a particularly dangerous transportation device is in the best interest of all guests, and the ECVs are dangerous enough - especially when they're driven through a round of drinking around the world.....
 

PhotoDave219

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I believe you're correct, but the Department of Justice (as the agency that oversees the Americans with Disabilities Act) and the Department of the Inetior (which enforces the ADA in regards to Parks and Recreation) should have quite a bit of clout in regulations pertaining to this.

I mean, their regulations have made it virtually illegal to question anyone about a disability under normal circumstances. Service animals can't be questioned, so perhaps a service instrument (apparatus, tool, provision, device mechanism, tool?) could fall under the same protection.


Think about it for a second. If its not an approved medical device by the FDA, how would that follow under the ADA law. I know people in your house knows this stuff better than us, but if its not a medical device.... Disney would never have to comply.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Agreed... but I defend the right for disabled people to be allowed to use them in the parks. If in fact... that is the said disabled persons main mode of getting around. Which is what this vet was using, as his main mode of getting around.

If speed is an issue... then change the key... no big deal.

The issue isnt speed. The issue is that a segway is not an FDA approved medical device, therefore Disney doesn't need to do squat here. So he uses a segway to get around. - Thats not in the middle of a 40,000 person theme park. Disney (and Sea World... who was mentioned banning these devices in the article too) has every right to determine whats allowed in its parks.

This artice seems very agenda driven with no mention of the context of liability and guest safety. Their biggest beef should be with the FDA, not with Disney.

As for heeleys, they are banned from the parks. Ive heard of managers having keys to remove the wheels in park. I had one run into me once.... he bounced the other way. Last i remember skateboards, roller skates, bicycles, etc., are all banned from the park and (at least once upon a time) listed on park maps as to whats banned.

Plus... its private property. Disney can regulate who comes in the parks with what. Granted with 100,000 people on property at any given moment, enforcement is inconsistent.

Personally i use a honda to get around, and you dont see me petitioning to drive that down Main Street :D
 

Rob562

Well-Known Member
Doesn't Epcot still offer Segway tours of the park?


Maybe those were before the park opens in the morning

The Epcot Segway tours are in the morning before World SHowcase opens. And except for the short distances going through Future World to get to and from World Showcase, they take place in a part of the park that's closed. Disney also requires the operators to wear helmets.

And there aren't that many large crowds at Fort Wilderness, either, where they just started offering a new Segway tour.

I think perhaps in the interest of safety and "fairness/equality", Disney should ban in-park CM use (manager or otherwise) during park operating hours, except for the tours and emergency use. Stick with backstage and parking lot use, and after-hours movement within the park. Kind of like how the Studios has (or had) bicycles for CMs to use to get around backstage, but they were for backstage movement only.

-Rob
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Original Poster
Think about it for a second. If its not an approved medical device by the FDA, how would that follow under the ADA law. I know people in your house knows this stuff better than us, but if its not a medical device.... Disney would never have to comply.
service animals aren't approved medical devices by the FDA either ;)
 
I thought I'd drop a word in as I own a segway so know about it's capabilities. (I'm talking about the original HT, not the new PT which is steered differently)

Before I go on, I'm sorry if this ends up sounding like a commercial, but I want to point out what it can do before talking about what I think of the idea of using one around WDW.

The Segway (HT) comes with three keys, a black key limited to a slow turning speed and a maximum of 5mph, a yellow key which allows up to 8mph and a slightly faster turn of speed and lastly the red key that allows up to 12.5 mph and a fast turning circle.

The segway has been designed to have minimal impact when used on the pavement, with it's systems made to minimise the chances of hurting a pedestrian.

I have have stopped a segway from being able to run into me with one finger as just pressing back on the stalk causes it to "brake" and I've had one run over my foot without causing any damage or discomfort.

Now, if I had an ECV coming at me at full speed I'd be much more worried than a segway doing the same thing.

That said however, I don't think any powered device should be used by guests in the parks unless absolutely necissary.

The amount of times I've been hit by an ECV driver who got a licence to drive by putting a few benjamins in Disney's hand is, well, you get the idea.

So I personally would trust a person on their own Segway above a person who rented an SCV for the day anytime.

But I can understand why Disney are putting a blanket ban into effect. I wouldn't be happy with a Segway going at full speed around the parks (in fact even Castmembers are limited to the Yellow Key) and even if you make someone sign a document to say they will only use the black key in the park, how could you stop them changing keys and switching to the yellow or red one once inside.

It'd be a logistical nightmare to manage as you'd have to have castmembers looking for segways "speeding".

So, after all that rambling what I get down to is this. I'd trust a segway rider more than a ECV driver but the logistics would make letting guests use them as general transport would be unworkable.

Maybe Disney could offset it by having Licences to ride on Disney property. Say they get the guest to go through the same training as a Castmember, charge them an absolute crap load, then give them a licence valid for the guests current visit. Hmm, could be a good money earner for Disney and they could price it high enough so that only the really serious would do it.

Anyway, long story short (too late!) and talk of whether it's should be considered a mobility asistance device aside, as things currently are I don't think it's viable to allow Segways to be ridden by guests unsupervised.
 

Iakona

Member
I think perhaps in the interest of safety and "fairness/equality", Disney should ban in-park CM use (manager or otherwise) during park operating hours, except for the tours and emergency use.
-Rob

While I don't disagree with no Segeways at all; the quantity of a couple of trained managers is different than the quantity if opened to the entire guest population.

service animals aren't approved medical devices by the FDA either ;)

No, but they are defined and regulated by the ADA.
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
You missed the joke..... :lol: Speaking of which, know any places where i can find a service elephant?

I want a service panda.... or turtle. :lookaroun

But alas... I can see the thread now:
"OMG!1!!1 I was runned over by teh tutrlez!!! I hate WDW now!!11! :mad: "


:lookaroun
 

Tigggrl

Well-Known Member
I want a service panda.... or turtle. :lookaroun

But alas... I can see the thread now:
"OMG!1!!1 I was runned over by teh tutrlez!!! I hate WDW now!!11! :mad: "


:lookaroun
ROFLOL!:ROFLOL::ROFLOL::ROFLOL:
No way can that be any worse than strollers....I wanna service leopard, so when things get in the way it can swipe at them!
 

hokielutz

Well-Known Member
Problem is the parks get too crowded to use a segway, and that is my personal opinion. Also, if Disney allowed the vehicle, don't you think they would be expected to open up their queues to be wide & tall enough to drive a Segway through all of them?

I just see it as a logistical nightmare.
 

accord99cutie

Premium Member
Here was what my comparison was... I work at walmart (yay :/) and we have ECV's for customers to use, and I could never see people being allowed to go in with a segway... It would not be a good idea getting around Disney with people using them, just like it would not be enjoyable or safe to shop with people using them.
 

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