No Segways, theme parks tell disabled

mkt

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No Segways, theme parks tell disabled
Disney and SeaWorld Orlando cite visitor-safety concerns.
Scott Powers
Sentinel Staff Writer
October 13, 2007

When James Nappier, a petty officer in the Navy Reserve, first rode his new Segway scooter out into his Loxahatchee neighborhood, he felt emotions that were rare since he got home from Iraq.

On the two-wheeled, electric scooter, he could get around easily. That felt like personal freedom. Standing on the upright vehicle, he could look neighbors in the eyes, not the belt buckles. That felt like equality.

"It's been a godsend, because I can get out and get around on it," said Nappier, 49, who suffered leg- and arm-nerve damage in a May 2004 mortar attack in Ramadi, Iraq.

"I try to take it all the places here I can."

But he can't take it everywhere. Disney and SeaWorld Orlando won't allow visitors to use Segways, citing safety concerns.

"We're not turning people away," Disney World spokeswoman Kim Prunty said. "We're turning away a particular form of transportation."

Earlier this year, Epcot officials wouldn't let Nappier enter on his Segway, forcing him to reluctantly use a wheelchair pushed by his wife, Lacey.

Segway advocates plan to turn up the heat in efforts to get Disney and SeaWorld to allow Segways as wheelchair alternatives.

Much of the push is coming from an organization called Disability Rights Advocates for Technology, or DRAFT, which raises money to donate Segways to disabled U.S. military veterans and pushes for their acceptance.

Many people who use prosthetics, and people who have spinal or neurological conditions that affect walking more than standing -- such as multiple sclerosis -- find Segways offer more mobility and dignity than wheelchairs, said DRAFT co-founder Jerry Kerr, 52.

Kerr, who suffered spinal-cord injuries in an accident and uses a Segway, estimates that at least 5,000 disabled people have purchased Segways to get around, up from a few hundred that he estimated three years ago.

Introduced in 2001, Segways weren't designed to be mobility devices for people with such disabilities. That doesn't mean they cannot be used by people with disabilities or allowed as alternatives to wheelchairs, though it does mean the $5,000-plus cost is not normally eligible for insurance or state or federal assistance.

Disney runs paid, guided Segway tours of Epcot and the Fort Wilderness campground for customers, and has put many of its employees on Segways. But Disney officials said they see serious safety concerns if potentially untrained visitors are riding Segways on the same crowded walkways as toddlers, elderly persons and people with sight, hearing, mental or mobility disabilities.

They say they are also concerned about the speed of Segways, which can go 12.5 mph, much faster than most -- though not all -- motorized wheelchairs, and about some safety aspects, such as what happens if the batteries run out (Segways can fall down).

"Our concern has continued to be the safety of all our guests and cast members," said Prunty, the Disney spokeswoman.

SeaWorld spokeswoman Becca Bides offered similar concerns and added that SeaWorld is lined with winding, sometimes thin paths and walkways of varying grades and construction, which may be ill-designed for Segways.

Universal Orlando permits disabled riders on Segways on a case-by-case basis, though Universal officials would not talk about the matter.

Segway Inc. takes issue with challenges to its safety. But the company also recognizes the rights of individual businesses to decide whether to allow them, spokeswoman Carla Vallone said.

"I don't know what their specific concerns are," Vallone said of Disney and SeaWorld. "What I can tell you is that more than four independent agencies' studies . . . all have been neutral or positive, saying it has performed very well."

Those included a Federal Highway Administration study, published in 2004, that measured characteristics for 14 personal vehicles competing with bicycles, ranging from in-line skates to Segways and included standard wheelchairs and motorized wheelchairs.

In many key factors -- notably, visibility to others, turning radius, deceleration, braking distance, size and riders' sight lines -- the Segway rated best or second-best among the 14.

Among agencies that have agreed to allow Segways as mobility devices are the National Park Service and the U.S. Department of Transportation, for public buses, trains, stations and airports.

After running a pilot program in malls in Houston and Nashville, Tenn., Simon Property Group, the nation's largest mall operator, and part-owner of Florida Mall and Seminole Towne Center, decided this summer to allow disabled riders to use Segways in its malls.

Billie Scott, a spokeswoman for Simon Property Group, said the company is requiring disabled Segway users to register and accept a list of rules and regulations before they can come in.

"It was our own experience with Segways that really won us over," she said. "We began deploying them, on a limited basis at first, with security staff. Now a very large proportion of our malls have units who use Segways."
 

Fluxuated

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Notice how the media goes for the sympathetic route, starting the article talking about a Disabled Vet that was in Iraq. And Disney is evil. Damn right those things should be banned, I almost got ran over by one.
 

Jose Eber

New Member
Those Segways for the handicapped are soooo wicked. They like, stand up and stuff and act like normal segways. Very sophisticated.

Disney though has a point, some of the people that drive the scooters are total idiots.

Pic of modified segway

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Figment82

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I remember seeing wheelchairs like that at Innoventions years and years ago (perhaps at the House of the Future?). They were amazing to see back then - a wheelchair that could climb stairs? Who would have thought...
 

Testtrack321

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That's not a modified Segway, it's the actual first model to use the self balancing technology. The Segway was an off-shoot of that project. The wheelchair is the called the iBot.

Anyway, reason why you can't bring one in is because the Segway IS NOT a designated or regulated handicapped device. This is like a guy who can't walk but rides a bike around tries to bring it into the park, he just can't.
 

rainfully

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Can you imagine a million people in Segways scooting all over the parks? :eek:

Sure, they're not that prevellant now... but in a few years... who knows? That just sounds crazy dangerous to me...
 

Craig & Lisa

Active Member
Segway said they have an issue of safety of the units, no one is saying that the device is unsafe, just the people on them ( even a trained person can make a mistake). I did the segway tour, and even though they are fun they are also dangerous. One of our group didn't judge a small area in china and fell off, she was fine, but what if that were to happen in a crowded area? And also remember the ECR's, some of the people who are on them have accidents too, run into people, over feet, and one time I saw a person just ringing the horn as if to say here I come, NOW MOVE!! And kept going even if people didn't move fast enough. I'm not against those who are disabled, my mother-in-law, bless her soul, needed a wheelchair, and in March my sister-in-law will probably need one because of some major work on her knee and leg. Just as some have said here people with baby carriages have to look out so does everyone else.
 

mkt

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Maybe there's a slump in ECV/Wheelchair rentals? :D
 

DisneyChik17

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I don't see why it's ok to be run over by someone on an ECV and not someone on a Segway

I was thinking the same thing. I hate those ECVs when they have careless users. I know they can be difficult, as I have used one, but really. It is easy to adapt to. Besides, I want a Segway. :D
 

scpergj

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I don't see why it's ok to be run over by someone on an ECV and not someone on a Segway

Easy...the scooters will only do about 5 MPH (I'm sure they can be modified for faster than that...my dad modified his about 8 years ago for faster), but a Segway, if I remember correctly, will go 12 -15 MPH. It wouldn't be pretty if someone's two year old ran in front of someone on a Segway going full speed....

Kevin
 

Craig & Lisa

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Easy...the scooters will only do about 5 MPH (I'm sure they can be modified for faster than that...my dad modified his about 8 years ago for faster), but a Segway, if I remember correctly, will go 12 -15 MPH. It wouldn't be pretty if someone's two year old ran in front of someone on a Segway going full speed....

Kevin
Your father sounds like Tim the Toolman, but I think that they the segways may be able to be clocked down so they can't go that fast.
 

mickey&me

Active Member
Well, with the number of ppl who are out there looking for someone to sue and the number of ambulance-chasing lawyers (not a jibe at the entire legal profession, just that one portion), I totally understand not allowing segways in the park; at the same time, I am sympathetic with those who have a legitimate need for them and a desire to use them.
 

sknydave

Active Member
That's fine, but why can people take their own scooters with unknown specs? If they are concerned about the speed capabilities shouldn't any non-Disney motorized vehicle be denied?
 

EpcotServo

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Earlier this year, Epcot officials wouldn't let Nappier enter on his Segway, forcing him to reluctantly use a wheelchair pushed by his wife, Lacey.
Ohh...the shame! How dare they make him use a wheelchair like the thousands of other people for a day!
I too complained loudly to Disney when I broke my knee and couldn't walk for awhile. Those jerks wouldn't let me in the park on my ATV! Can't I be SAVED the shame of looking hadicapped by making donuts near the fountain of nations?

:rolleyes:
 

DMC-12

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Notice how the media goes for the sympathetic route, starting the article talking about a Disabled Vet that was in Iraq. And Disney is evil. Damn right those things should be banned, I almost got ran over by one.

Ok..... so the disabled vet cant ride one in the park.... but the fat epcot manager can? Lovely. :hammer:
 

Monty

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Your father sounds like Tim the Toolman, but I think that they the segways may be able to be clocked down so they can't go that fast.
If they rented Segways to guests, perhaps. But this was an individual with his own. But even if they did rent them, then the complaint would be that by banning personal machines they were just trying to make a profit. Fact is they go too fast and are not safe.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I don't see why it's ok to be run over by someone on an ECV and not someone on a Segway

A segway is not an approved medical device. An ecv is.

jer said:
Ok..... so the disabled vet cant ride one in the park.... but the fat epcot manager can? Lovely.

Well look at it this way, If an Epcot Manager runs you over with their segway, Disney is responsible. Say a guest does that to another guest? Does this make it a vehicular accident, with OCSO or even FHP with investigative juristiction? Who's held accountable? Disney? The guest?

Its just a huge can of worms. I have enough trouble dealing with my feet not getting run over by grandma who thought it would be fun to put Timmy on her lap and let him drive.

So, summed up, an ECV is a medical device. A segway is a street legal mode of motorized transportation.
 

Craig & Lisa

Active Member
If they rented Segways to guests, perhaps. But this was an individual with his own. But even if they did rent them, then the complaint would be that by banning personal machines they were just trying to make a profit. Fact is they go too fast and are not safe.
Very true.
 

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