NFL 2014 Discussion Thread

PUSH

PUSH

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flynnibus said:
You do remember Rice was not convicted right? And the opportunity is out there right now...
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I don't think conviction is really worthy of discussion. There is indisputable video evidence that Rice hit his then fiancee in the face, causing her to become unconcious. The NFL doesn't have to wait until anyone is convicted. They have their own set of rules that players have to abide by.
 
PUSH

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@NYwdwfan, some good news for you (or maybe the Packers). ILB Brad Jones has been ruled out for this week. And then Bryan Bulaga is listed as questionable.
 
acishere

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flynnibus said:
You do remember Rice was not convicted right? And the opportunity is out there right now...

Will the public call for AP's head because he abuses children?? As you said.. let's streat it as if there was a camera documenting it.



AGAIN - I'm not talking about the NFL's punishment - I'm talking about THE PUBLIC
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Hence I said convicted OR of there is clear documentation of the act being committed.
 
flynnibus

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PUSH said:
I don't think conviction is really worthy of discussion. There is indisputable video evidence that Rice hit his then fiancee in the face, causing her to become unconcious. The NFL doesn't have to wait until anyone is convicted. They have their own set of rules that players have to abide by.
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So what happens when someone gets in a fight.. and it's a debate on self-defense or not? Or how about a player shoots someone in their home.. and they claim it was defending their home/property.

You are both suggesting that we let the mob be the judge and jury on what crimes the person is actually guilty of? That is the standard you are pushing.. 'hey, we've seen enough to know the answer... let's execute'
 
flynnibus

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And since we have photos from the police report of the child's abuse now.. and AP says in the police reports he did punish the child..

Is the mob ready to convict? Is this a lifetime ban for AP too?

We don't want to send the wrong message about child abuse... and we have photographic evidence that it happened. Where's the executioner??
 
PUSH

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flynnibus said:
So what happens when someone gets in a fight.. and it's a debate on self-defense or not? Or how about a player shoots someone in their home.. and they claim it was defending their home/property.

You are both suggesting that we let the mob be the judge and jury on what crimes the person is actually guilty of? That is the standard you are pushing.. 'hey, we've seen enough to know the answer... let's execute'
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There was nothing questionable in the video of Ray Rice. He hit his fiancee in the face, knocking her out. Your hypotheticals are like comparing apples to oranges. However, in those cases I would let the NFL do its own investigation, like it always does. I don't think they were walking around town asking the public what they thought Rice's suspension should be. They investigated the situation, and based on the evidence they found, banned Rice for two games. Then when the video was released they altered their banishment to fit the new evidence.

I have absolutely zero idea where you're getting the idea that we're saying the public should assign punishments. I said that the NFL has to appeal to the public in order to save itself. In Rice's case there is absolutely no way of seeing that he is not guilty. There is a video. Ray Rice hit his girlfriend in the face. She became unconscious due to that hit. I think that's enough to deem someone guilty of domestic violence.
 
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Lucky

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flynnibus said:
And since we have photos from the police report of the child's abuse now.. and AP says in the police reports he did punish the child..

Is the mob ready to convict? Is this a lifetime ban for AP too?

We don't want to send the wrong message about child abuse... and we have photographic evidence that it happened. Where's the executioner??
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I've lost your point now. Suppose he is treated leniently despite the graphic photos. Does that mean this is all an anti-Ravens thing? The media hates Baltimore?
 
Zweiland

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Nemo14 said:
I'm not liking this because they're playing my Patriots this weekend - it was the right thing period.
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Back to actual football talk- I still think we can beat the Pats. Your run defense isn't exactly the greatest, and AD didn't do much for us last week.

Peterson out? Fine. We accept the challenge. :p
 
PUSH

PUSH

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The NFL has just passed a new drug policy. It's a two game suspension for convicted players. Now Wes Welker and Orlando Scandrick will be able to play this week. And Josh Gordon's suspension has been lower from 1-year to 10 games.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Lucky said:
I've lost your point now. Suppose he is treated leniently despite the graphic photos. Does that mean this is all an anti-Ravens thing? The media hates Baltimore?
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I don't think it has anything to do with the Ravens or Baltimore at all.

The ravens had PLENTY of uncharacteristic run ins with the police this off-season and you don't hear about any of that right now.

I'm looking at the general population - and shaking my head over how because there is a video circulating of the incident - that somehow that magnifies the severity of what he did, judging it, and how he should be punished.

My point is... all around Ray Rice other players were doing all kinds of bad things, including other much more serious cases of domestic violence... yet the general population was happy to read it in the sports news for a week and then go back to whatever sensation thing was in their newsfeed. But because there is a VIDEO of Rice's incident... everything changes and now the standards against him all change and he becomes the lightning rod.

Meanwhile... repeat offenders offenders go completely unoticed by the general population.

Less we forget - the tape didn't show anyone anything new in the terms of what Rice physically did to his wife. What the tape did was 'make it real' for people and visualize what they knew happened, but now they see it graphically and they get an entirely new emotional response.

It makes you ask... are people acting rationally?? Or are they getting caught up in things and acting in knee jerk ways?

I mean.. imagine if we said "Get arrested for murder... you goto trial, and get a minimum of 10 years. Get filmed murdering someone... you goto trial, and get an automatic life sentence"

The public is changing their perception of what is suitable punishment not based on the facts or crime.. but on how emotionally moved they are by evidence.

Did anyone say '6 games isn't enough?' after Goodell announced the new policy??
 

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