NFL 2014 Discussion Thread

[flynnibus]

So because others got away with it, they all should? These guys are making outrageous amounts of money and are held as role models. Do we really want our sons to think the kind of behavior seen on that video is in any way acceptable?

So you are saying the public opinion up until this year has been.. these guys have been getting away with it? Where was the public outcry then?

The level of behavior Rice did was not any more grievious than most of the things I highlighted - yet the call for blood exists here and not there before?

Are people really that much more upset over the domestic violence now than they were 9 months ago?

Or are people that much more moved by a VIDEO?

If you were a criminal - the sentence dished out for a crime doesn't increase based on having a video of the crime or not - it's based on the crime itself.

Here we are letting the mob's emotional reaction dictate the response.

 

[John]

Burrnnn

Sunday was out of sync.. and the WR drops were not going to continue. Steve Smith had something to prove after that game and he put on his beast mode last night. The way he is THROWING linebackers and safeties out of his way when he's only 5'9" is insane.

This is highlight forever for a small guy

and he was doing it again last night.

They had a much more balanced attack. I don't agree with benching pierce after a single fumble like that in week 1.. that's just over-reacting and the game plan suffered because of it.

Last night showed what the ravens CAN do.. tho the short yard run game can't rely on QB sneaks all season. Simms called it.. and then Flacco takes that devestating hit to the head. What happened to helmet to helmet there?

The flags for hits last night were all over the place.

The penalty for the hit on the QB was garbage. Remember this from last week? Head to gut.. not a penalty..

Upshaw was more upright than that.. and did not hit the QB high.

The steelers got the raw end of the hits on the recievers calls. The one in the endzone was because he hit the guy in the neck area... not helmet as some of the commentators complained was lacking. The ruling there was just too strict. The hit Brown probably should have been a defenseless receiver call as he really had not turned up field completely yet.

Ok....Mr. Smarty pants, so you are going to tell me you seen this coming? There is no way you could have guessed after last week. That Roethlisberger was going to play as bad as he did. I am giving the Ravens credit....I promise. But Pittsburgh's defense looked old. In the fourth quarter they were beat down. I could swear I seen them dare I say it.....quit! You knew that Flacco would have a QB rating north of 100? You know I love man but to beat Pitt. by 20? Like previous years I thought it would be a close game with Pitt. edging out a victory. I was wrong, and boy am I glad.

 

[Nemo14]

So you are saying the public opinion up until this year has been.. these guys have been getting away with it? Where was the public outcry then?

The level of behavior Rice did was not any more grievious than most of the things I highlighted - yet the call for blood exists here and not there before?

Are people really that much more upset over the domestic violence now than they were 9 months ago?

Or are people that much more moved by a VIDEO?

If you were a criminal - the sentence dished out for a crime doesn't increase based on having a video of the crime or not - it's based on the crime itself.

Here we are letting the mob's emotional reaction dictate the response.

A crime is a crime, regrdless if others got away with it or not.

 

[flynnibus]

Ok....Mr. Smarty pants, so you are going to tell me you seen this coming?

The proof is in the game picks.. which have me picking the ravens

and last week? The steelers were still playing the browns.. and the only score they had the entire second half was the game winning field goal. Bell was my worry.. not the rest of the team

But Pittsburgh's defense looked old. In the fourth quarter they were beat down. I could swear I seen them dare I say it.....quit!

The controlling the line of scrimmage was the difference. If they didn't have King Hair back there still... it would have been much worse. The Raven's line was more active than they've looked in ages and Forsett looks well poised to be that agile back. We do need a power back tho.. without a real fullback and no RB of size.. the short yardage stuff was pretty aweful.

Kicking for 3 won't work against the higher power teams.

Did you see where Dumervil basically bull rushed Marcus Gilbert right over and into Big Ben and then wrapped up Big Ben? That was amazing.. and against the steeler's new 6yr contract for gilbert

You knew that Flacco would have a QB rating north of 100? You know I love man but to beat Pitt. by 20? Like previous years I thought it would be a close game with Pitt. edging out a victory. I was wrong, and boy am I glad.

I didn't know which Flacco we'd get... but I knew the receivers would find their hands and the running game would be better. I expected a closer game just given it always plays out that way... but Flacco was just in the groove and its amazing the throws he can just launch with seemingly no effort.

Getting a pass rush was a pleasant suprise. Both 55 and 58 were too quiet last week.

 

[flynnibus]

A crime is a crime, regrdless if others got away with it or not.

And no one is disputing that... but why is this crime so much worse.. and has the public so much more upset vs the same things happening with other players? I'm not talking about the NFL... I'm talking about the PUBLIC and their reaction.

Let's be honest - it has nothing to do with the crime itself. It has everything to do with the fact it was on tape and visible for all to see.

If it was a fight at home with no cameras... it would have gone to the back page 1 week later just like every other case I listed.

Everyone is reacting based on their emotions vs reason.

And as for 'a crime is a crime' - then you totally support every person losing their career if something happens outside of work that has nothing to do with work.. purely based on the public's reaction to the incident?

 

[Nemo14]

And as for 'a crime is a crime' - then you totally support every person losing their career if something happens outside of work that has nothing to do with work.. purely based on the public's reaction to the incident?

Yes I do when part of that career is being a role model. There are plenty of men who know how to play football and don't punch their wives in the face that our sons should emulate. Is the public more outraged because they saw him do this? Of course they are - again, it's still wrong, and nothing I would want any young man aspiring to be.

 

[flynnibus]

Yes I do when part of that career is being a role model

That's a very fuzzy line. Is your manager at work a 'role model'? How about the Director or owner?

Next we bring up the 'I don't want those kind of people around my family' angle .. so now we blackball school bus drivers, the customer service people at your local kids activity, and more.

It's a slippery slope that has no end. The court of public opinion has now torn down all walls between people's personal lives and their careers. And it's not just celebrities, but you'll find it in your local news as well.

God forbid anyone look at what some of the politicans or hollywood has been up to... but these football players? Gonna make an example out of them!

No one finds it ironic we give convicted felons more protections and leaways than people who have been convicted by the media and social relays?

Is the public more outraged because they saw him do this? Of course they are - again, it's still wrong, and nothing I would want any young man aspiring to be.

The point isn't that it's right or wrong.. it's about the response to it and it's magnitude. Is the response and the public interest really in sync with what happened?

Below is a list of all the players who have had run ins with the law this year alone...

Do you honestly feel that the encounter between Ray Rice and his now wife is that much bigger than all of the situations below?

For all of the situations below... no one received an immediate penalty from the NFL or ban. One of them was even charged with threatening to KILL HIS WIFE - yet how much of the country has even heard of it or is ready to call for change over that?

Are we really responding to what happened between this couple? Or are we going over the top because its in front of everyone's faces this time?

 

[PUSH]

The public opinion is the NFL's greatest fear. If the NFL gets this wrong, it could potentially be devastating to the popularity of the sport. The diehard fan will most likely still be there, but what about the casual fan? What about the female fans? The public is what the NFL thrives on. Without appealing to it, the NFL is nothing.

 

[flynnibus]

It reminds me how everyone gets all worked up over things people share over social media they never realized before.. like how they manage to supply the country with fruits or vegetables year round.. when they don't grow year round. The shock and horror over how they store Orange juice for instance.. or any number of food or science topics that the vast majority of the country are living in happy ignorance over.. but if someone puts together a video showing them something. My god call your mother and her friends... sign the petition!

 

[flynnibus]

The public opinion is the NFL's greatest fear. If the NFL gets this wrong, it could potentially be devastating to the popularity of the sport. The diehard fan will most likely still be there, but what about the casual fan? What about the female fans? The public is what the NFL thrives on. Without appealing to it, the NFL is nothing.

uhmm.. Michael Vick? Aaron Hernandez? The player's lawsuit? COUNTLESS sexual harassment and discrimination lawsuits?

Are we suggesting the public is just becoming aware of these bad things happening within the NFL sphere in the last few months? Or something has happened to escalate these things?

Much greater issues and crimes have been commited even since Rice's 2 game suspension... and what have you heard about any of them?

Most have only made the news now as Media goes back and tries to find the 'other' cases that people have glossed over previously.

 

[Nemo14]

That's a very fuzzy line. Is your manager at work a 'role model'? How about the Director or owner?

Next we bring up the 'I don't want those kind of people around my family' angle .. so now we blackball school bus drivers, the customer service people at your local kids activity, and more.

It's a slippery slope that has no end. The court of public opinion has now torn down all walls between people's personal lives and their careers. And it's not just celebrities, but you'll find it in your local news as well.

God forbid anyone look at what some of the politicans or hollywood has been up to... but these football players? Gonna make an example out of them!

No one finds it ironic we give convicted felons more protections and leaways than people who have been convicted by the media and social relays?



The point isn't that it's right or wrong.. it's about the response to it and it's magnitude. Is the response and the public interest really in sync with what happened?

Below is a list of all the players who have had run ins with the law this year alone...

Do you honestly feel that the encounter between Ray Rice and his now wife is that much bigger than all of the situations below?

And as far as role models go, as a former teacher I was expected to

For all of the situations below... no one received an immediate penalty from the NFL or ban. One of them was even charged with threatening to KILL HIS WIFE - yet how much of the country has even heard of it or is ready to call for change over that?

Are we really responding to what happened between this couple? Or are we going over the top because its in front of everyone's faces this time?

Are you really equating some of those charges you listed with punching a woman in the face? really????

As far as role models go, as a former teacher I would have been subject to suspension or expulsion had I behaved inappropriately, so why would /should it be any different for a person whose influence reaches far more children?

I have to ask, do you believe that Aaron Hernandez should still be playing football since he is "innocent 'til proven guilty"?

 

[acishere]

That's a very fuzzy line. Is your manager at work a 'role model'? How about the Director or owner?

Next we bring up the 'I don't want those kind of people around my family' angle .. so now we blackball school bus drivers, the customer service people at your local kids activity, and more.

It's a slippery slope that has no end. The court of public opinion has now torn down all walls between people's personal lives and their careers. And it's not just celebrities, but you'll find it in your local news as well.

God forbid anyone look at what some of the politicans or hollywood has been up to... but these football players? Gonna make an example out of them!

No one finds it ironic we give convicted felons more protections and leaways than people who have been convicted by the media and social relays?



The point isn't that it's right or wrong.. it's about the response to it and it's magnitude. Is the response and the public interest really in sync with what happened?

Below is a list of all the players who have had run ins with the law this year alone...

Do you honestly feel that the encounter between Ray Rice and his now wife is that much bigger than all of the situations below?

For all of the situations below... no one received an immediate penalty from the NFL or ban. One of them was even charged with threatening to KILL HIS WIFE - yet how much of the country has even heard of it or is ready to call for change over that?

Are we really responding to what happened between this couple? Or are we going over the top because its in front of everyone's faces this time?

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Okay, how about from NOW ON when a player is convicted of abusing their partner or children/etc, or the act was committed in front of a camera documenting it, the NFL treats them exactly like they treated Rice this week?

Just because they were not properly punishing players prior to this, they should never adopt a harder stance against domestic abuse? Seriously?

 

[PUSH]

uhmm.. Michael Vick? Aaron Hernandez? The player's lawsuit? COUNTLESS sexual harassment and discrimination lawsuits?

Are we suggesting the public is just becoming aware of these bad things happening within the NFL sphere in the last few months? Or something has happened to escalate these things?

Much greater issues and crimes have been commited even since Rice's 2 game suspension... and what have you heard about any of them?

Most have only made the news now as Media goes back and tries to find the 'other' cases that people have glossed over previously.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, because Vick and Hernandez both got proper punishment. Rice didn't, and that is why the league and commissioner took a lot of heat. Both Vick and Hernandez were big stories, but that doesn't mean they should be big stories long after their crimes have passed. Rice's story will fade just like all the others, but now it really isn't about Rice. Rather it's about how the NFL handled his punishment.

 

[flynnibus]

Break out the marshmellows... Adrian Peterson has been indicted now over child neglect

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rson-indicted-for-negligent-injury-to-a-child

Because he supposedly punished his child with a stich..

 

[Zweiland]

Sources: RB Adrian Peterson indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child N Montgomery County.His atty Rustin Hardin declined comment

I can't believe this...

 

[Zweiland]

Break out the marshmellows... Adrian Peterson has been indicted now over child neglect

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rson-indicted-for-negligent-injury-to-a-child

Because he supposedly punished his child with a stich..

What a week for the NFL.

 

[Zweiland]

Under Texas state law...

The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.

Do we know it's his child for sure? It didn't specifically state it in the article.

If so, this seems to be within the law. Of course, we don't know enough yet.

Prepare yourself for debates about corporeal punishment... *closes eyes and ears tightly*

 

[PUSH]

Under Texas state law...

Do we know it's his child for sure? It didn't specifically state it in the article.

If so, this seems to be within the law. Of course, we don't know enough yet.

Prepare yourself for debates about corporeal punishment... *closes eyes and ears tightly*

No matter what, this is going to be another tough situation for the NFL. I'm sure they'll take a lot more caution with the investigation process than they did with Ray Rice.

 

[flynnibus]

Are you really equating some of those charges you listed with punching a woman in the face? really????

Because punching her is so much more evil then threatening to KILL HER? Or how about assaulting POLICE Brandishing guns in road rage?

Less we forget players who have KILLED their teammates with DUI, etc?

Yeah - I'll put those up there with a domestic dispute between two drunk people.

I have to ask, do you believe that Aaron Hernandez should still be playing football since he is "innocent 'til proven guilty"?

In his case - the judge put him behind bars, so it's a moot point But in general - I do believe in due process instead of trial by mob and social media.

My point has not been that Rice should not have been punished -- or specifically what his punishment was.

It was actually about SOCIETY and how they react and punish.. the reaction and expectation they create.... and how it's exploded based on having a video.

The uproar is not because Rice wasn't punished enough - there are other incidents in the same timeframe as the Rice incident that have not even gotten the punishment Rice has. So where is the uproar from the public over them? It's hypocritical of anyone to scream bloody murder over Rice's lack of punishment when they haven't done the same for other people charged with domestic violence.

Why is Rice's incident such a high profile thing everyone is rallying around when many other cases are happening all around them... with people that even have histories in the subject? Because the mob saw a video of Rice - and they didn't see a video of the other incidents.

And the reaction to the video has escalated what people think the penalties should be.. as well as circumvented any sort of due process.

It's why the player's union is filing a grievance even without Rice's involvement - because the league has acted emotionally and in direct conflict with their own policies.

 

[flynnibus]

Okay, how about from NOW ON when a player is convicted of abusing their partner or children/etc, or the act was committed in front of a camera documenting it, the NFL treats them exactly like they treated Rice this week?

You do remember Rice was not convicted right? And the opportunity is out there right now...

Will the public call for AP's head because he abuses children?? As you said.. let's streat it as if there was a camera documenting it.

Just because they were not properly punishing players prior to this, they should never adopt a harder stance against domestic abuse? Seriously?

AGAIN - I'm not talking about the NFL's punishment - I'm talking about THE PUBLIC