flynnibus
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they were both very drunk - how in or out of character they were acting is hard for us to judge from just a few minutes of video
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they were both very drunk - how in or out of character they were acting is hard for us to judge from just a few minutes of video
flynnibus
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Josh Gordon was also in violation of a topic that the NFL has been cracking down on before Gordon's case.. he was also a repeat offender for the league. He's also got a history of drug problems in College.. and WHILE HE WAS WAITING on the league... got arrested for DUI (far more damaging than a simple assault charge).
Rice on the other hand was a squeeky clean guy... who had a first time offense, in a two party situation where they both had reconciled.
I know alot of people are like 'marijana.. so what'. But Gordon's case was much more than a single dope test failure and the league gave him the smack down for it.
I agree with Gordon's suspension. He has had multiple offenses, and it's the reason he was not allowed to enter the NFL Draft. Instead he had to go through the Supplemental Draft.
However, I did not agree with Rice's initial suspension. I do agree with his current suspension, though.
However, I did not agree with Rice's initial suspension. I do agree with his current suspension, though.
Ranch Dressing
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I have to wonder what the NFL was thinking when they saw a video of Ray Rice dragging out his wifes knocked out body from the elevator.
This all reminds me of the Sandusky/Paterno/Penn St mockery where the bare minimum was done and everything else was covered up. Think about it, if TMZ never posted the video Rice would be playing next week and all would have been forgotten and forgiven.
This all reminds me of the Sandusky/Paterno/Penn St mockery where the bare minimum was done and everything else was covered up. Think about it, if TMZ never posted the video Rice would be playing next week and all would have been forgotten and forgiven.
jw24
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It was same old, same old. No ground game, almost no third down conversions and the O-Line were poor, again. They let Megatron walk all over. I understand he's an elite receiver but you can't leave him one-on-one coverage, you just can't. And the third down defense was subpar. The Tampa 2 doesn't work, neither does the prevent! I didn't trust Fewell in the past and I still don't now!
John
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@flynnibus I hate to say it but I am taking the black and yellow this week....uggggggggggggggg
NYwdwfan
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A former FBI director that Goodell chose. The radio stations here were going nuts about that today.
NYwdwfan
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I'll see your Eddie Lacy and raise you a Dee Milliner (also cleared to play - bet you're scared now).
*shakes in my boots*
Anything Goodell does is getting way too much attention. I won't judge until I know the truth. I'm assuming that video had to go through several people before it got to him.
NYwdwfan
Well-Known Member
I have a feeling the Jets will hoist the Lombardi trophy before we know the truth.
acishere
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He was their first round draft pick last year. A cornerback.Oh no not Dee Millner!
Who is Dee Millner?...
NYwdwfan
Well-Known Member
I was listening to ESPN radio this morning on the way to work and Cris Carter was the guest. Mike Greenberg asked him what player, out of ANY player in the entire NFL, is poised to have a monster game this weekend where we will be looking back next week and think wow - that guy played awesome. In my head I was thinking - don't say it, please don't say it - and then he said it. Aaron Rodgers. Oy.
flynnibus
Premium Member
The level of overreaction to things in our society is getting out of control.
It's not 'advancement' when we get hypersensitive to everything.
The funny thing is.. in the criminal system was advocate that reform is better than just straight punishment... and warn that if we don't give people a chance to get better.. we doom them to only get worse and become trapped in a life a crime because they have no where else to turn.
If you can't get a real job because of your past... you are doomed to turn to crime. People believe 'help', not greater punishment, is the way to try to save people and make them contributing members of society.
yet in the court of public opinion.. and the expectations of what the mob is demanding.. we are headed entirely in a different direction.
Imagine if you got in a argument with your wife or girlfriend and the neighbors call the police and because the police are overly cautious, you get arrested over a simple domestic dispute charge. And the next day you goto work to find you've been fired, and banned from working in your industry because of domestic violence. Yet, no court has ever found you guilty, you've had no chance to defend yourself... and there is nothing related to this incident to how you do your work. Yet due to the stigma... you're now damaged goods.
That is where we are heading...
Or what happens when your vindictive former spouse makes accusations that you are abusive to your children. Accusations that really don't take much for the police to act on these days.. and you get arrested for child abuse. And the next day you goto work and find you've been fired, and banned from working in your industry. Again, nothing related to how you do your work, how you interact at work - yet now you are thrown out.
This is where we are heading... because Civil disputes are not bound to criminal trial results... just the accusation, not guilt as determined by a court, is becoming the standard for which people are acting upon... even if the issue has NOTHING to do with your job.
Yet what have they done to Ray Rice? The mob has blackballed him... his employer has banned him from working in the industry. And why is Rice different than those before him? Because there is 'shocking video' that has fired up the mob. Rice's situation is one of public opinion - not that he has done worse or something more grevious than others.
Just look in the last two years... ALL of these players were arrested on domestic violence issues
Ray McDonald, defensive tackle, San Francisco 49ers. Arrested Aug. 31 on suspicion of felony domestic violence in San Jose, Calif.
Greg Hardy, defensive end, Carolina Panthers. Arrested May 13 on two misdemeanor charges after he allegedly assaulted and threatened his ex-girlfriend.
Ray Rice, running back, Baltimore Ravens. Arrested and charged Feb. 15 after striking his then-fiancee, Janay Palmer, in an Atlantic City casino elevator.
A.J. Jefferson, cornerback, Minnesota Vikings. Arrested and charged Nov. 25, 2013 with one felony count of domestic violence following a fight with his girlfriend.
Daryl Washington, linebacker, Arizona Cardinals. Arrested May 3, 2013 for assault after an argument with his ex-girlfriend in her Phoenix apartment.
Amari Spievey, safety, Detroit Lions. Arrested March 26, 2013 for third-degree assault, risk of injury to a child, disorderly conduct after a child-support argument in Middleton, Conn., his hometown.
Michael Boley, linebacker, New York Giants. Arrested Feb. 8, 2013 on child abuse charges in Etowah County, Ala., three days after being cut by the team.
Leroy Hill, linebacker, Seattle Seahawks. Arrested Jan. 29, 2013 on two felony counts of domestic violence after an incident with his girlfriend in his Issaquah home.
Chris Rainey, running back, Pittsburgh Steelers. Arrested Jan. 10, 2013 and charged with misdemeanor simple battery after an altercation with his girlfriend in Gainesville, Fla.
Robert Sands, defensive back, Cincinnati Bengals. Arrested Jan. 4, 2013 and charged with fourth-degree assault after an altercation with his wife in their Florence, Ky home.
Bryan Thomas, linebacker, New York Jets. Arrested Oct. 31, 2012 and charged with aggravated assault of his wife and drug charges in Randolph, N.J.
Greg Hardy was CONVICTED and SENTENCED in a domestic assault case.. yet the NFL and team haven't done anything to him yet. None of the people listed above were even suspended by the league, let alone banned. Now a lot of these are getting more scrutiny after the Rice blowup... but why? Because of exposure - not because the severity of the incident has changed.
The list of drug, violence, DWI, weapons charges, goes on and on and on... without punishments anywhere near what the league has done now. And why? It's all about the mob reaction when you show people crimes vs tell them about them. For some points of reference - http://deadspin.com/how-do-other-notable-nfl-suspensions-compare-with-ray-r-1610186053
And a list of all NFL arrests.. http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/ - take note of the severity of things that people are convicted of as criminals and contrast that with the amount of public outcry you've heard about that player.
It's not 'advancement' when we get hypersensitive to everything.
The funny thing is.. in the criminal system was advocate that reform is better than just straight punishment... and warn that if we don't give people a chance to get better.. we doom them to only get worse and become trapped in a life a crime because they have no where else to turn.
If you can't get a real job because of your past... you are doomed to turn to crime. People believe 'help', not greater punishment, is the way to try to save people and make them contributing members of society.
yet in the court of public opinion.. and the expectations of what the mob is demanding.. we are headed entirely in a different direction.
Imagine if you got in a argument with your wife or girlfriend and the neighbors call the police and because the police are overly cautious, you get arrested over a simple domestic dispute charge. And the next day you goto work to find you've been fired, and banned from working in your industry because of domestic violence. Yet, no court has ever found you guilty, you've had no chance to defend yourself... and there is nothing related to this incident to how you do your work. Yet due to the stigma... you're now damaged goods.
That is where we are heading...
Or what happens when your vindictive former spouse makes accusations that you are abusive to your children. Accusations that really don't take much for the police to act on these days.. and you get arrested for child abuse. And the next day you goto work and find you've been fired, and banned from working in your industry. Again, nothing related to how you do your work, how you interact at work - yet now you are thrown out.
This is where we are heading... because Civil disputes are not bound to criminal trial results... just the accusation, not guilt as determined by a court, is becoming the standard for which people are acting upon... even if the issue has NOTHING to do with your job.
Yet what have they done to Ray Rice? The mob has blackballed him... his employer has banned him from working in the industry. And why is Rice different than those before him? Because there is 'shocking video' that has fired up the mob. Rice's situation is one of public opinion - not that he has done worse or something more grevious than others.
Just look in the last two years... ALL of these players were arrested on domestic violence issues
Ray McDonald, defensive tackle, San Francisco 49ers. Arrested Aug. 31 on suspicion of felony domestic violence in San Jose, Calif.
Greg Hardy, defensive end, Carolina Panthers. Arrested May 13 on two misdemeanor charges after he allegedly assaulted and threatened his ex-girlfriend.
Ray Rice, running back, Baltimore Ravens. Arrested and charged Feb. 15 after striking his then-fiancee, Janay Palmer, in an Atlantic City casino elevator.
A.J. Jefferson, cornerback, Minnesota Vikings. Arrested and charged Nov. 25, 2013 with one felony count of domestic violence following a fight with his girlfriend.
Daryl Washington, linebacker, Arizona Cardinals. Arrested May 3, 2013 for assault after an argument with his ex-girlfriend in her Phoenix apartment.
Amari Spievey, safety, Detroit Lions. Arrested March 26, 2013 for third-degree assault, risk of injury to a child, disorderly conduct after a child-support argument in Middleton, Conn., his hometown.
Michael Boley, linebacker, New York Giants. Arrested Feb. 8, 2013 on child abuse charges in Etowah County, Ala., three days after being cut by the team.
Leroy Hill, linebacker, Seattle Seahawks. Arrested Jan. 29, 2013 on two felony counts of domestic violence after an incident with his girlfriend in his Issaquah home.
Chris Rainey, running back, Pittsburgh Steelers. Arrested Jan. 10, 2013 and charged with misdemeanor simple battery after an altercation with his girlfriend in Gainesville, Fla.
Robert Sands, defensive back, Cincinnati Bengals. Arrested Jan. 4, 2013 and charged with fourth-degree assault after an altercation with his wife in their Florence, Ky home.
Bryan Thomas, linebacker, New York Jets. Arrested Oct. 31, 2012 and charged with aggravated assault of his wife and drug charges in Randolph, N.J.
Greg Hardy was CONVICTED and SENTENCED in a domestic assault case.. yet the NFL and team haven't done anything to him yet. None of the people listed above were even suspended by the league, let alone banned. Now a lot of these are getting more scrutiny after the Rice blowup... but why? Because of exposure - not because the severity of the incident has changed.
The list of drug, violence, DWI, weapons charges, goes on and on and on... without punishments anywhere near what the league has done now. And why? It's all about the mob reaction when you show people crimes vs tell them about them. For some points of reference - http://deadspin.com/how-do-other-notable-nfl-suspensions-compare-with-ray-r-1610186053
And a list of all NFL arrests.. http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/ - take note of the severity of things that people are convicted of as criminals and contrast that with the amount of public outcry you've heard about that player.
Nemo14
Well-Known Member
So because others got away with it, they all should? These guys are making outrageous amounts of money and are held as role models. Do we really want our sons to think the kind of behavior seen on that video is in any way acceptable?
flynnibus
Premium Member
Burrnnn
Sunday was out of sync.. and the WR drops were not going to continue. Steve Smith had something to prove after that game and he put on his beast mode last night. The way he is THROWING linebackers and safeties out of his way when he's only 5'9" is insane.
This is highlight forever for a small guy
and he was doing it again last night.
They had a much more balanced attack. I don't agree with benching pierce after a single fumble like that in week 1.. that's just over-reacting and the game plan suffered because of it.
Last night showed what the ravens CAN do.. tho the short yard run game can't rely on QB sneaks all season. Simms called it.. and then Flacco takes that devestating hit to the head. What happened to helmet to helmet there?
The flags for hits last night were all over the place.
The penalty for the hit on the QB was garbage. Remember this from last week? Head to gut.. not a penalty..
Upshaw was more upright than that.. and did not hit the QB high.
The steelers got the raw end of the hits on the recievers calls. The one in the endzone was because he hit the guy in the neck area... not helmet as some of the commentators complained was lacking. The ruling there was just too strict. The hit Brown probably should have been a defenseless receiver call as he really had not turned up field completely yet.