FigmentsFangirl
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Correct on this angle, I always carry a knife in my hair, but i use it to cut my dinner up and sometimes clean my nails
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ford91exploder
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FigmentsFangirl
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Nahh, I'm more a Outlaw Queen shipper, but still, I keep a knife on me at all times somewhere. Got two in my inner dress pocket, {along with wallet and car keys and phones}Like Cap'n Swann
I however have a question concerning the metal detectors now: When you go through, do you have to take everything out of your pockets or is it like the cruise terminal ? Basically the last time I went on a cruise {two years ago for my dad's birthday} they asked me if I had anything in my pockets I said yes and it was only loose change and my car keys and phone, they had me take my phone out because it'd be damaged by the detector, but they let me go through with car keys and change/money/wallet/etc in my pockets without a problem. So I wonder if it is the same at the parks now ?
ALSO: just a thought, when we dont see the metal detectors, and they're actually themed to the places they're to be put, well, they're perm for sure
EOD K9
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Which is why either a full body scanner or a pat down is needed. I'm not saying in WDW, but those are tools needed to find something that wouldn't be found by traditional means. Also, in order for this new system to be better effective, everyone needs to go through the magnetometer. If someone has a pace maker or prosthetic, it needs to be declared, then physically checked.
Verification needs to be tactful, but I can't just let someone go who tells me it's their metal rod and assume there is nothing else. There needs to be a careful balance of security and privacy.
It's not though. It is absolutely true that terrorism is going to be your least-likely cause of death. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning. These security measures do nothing to deter a threat. Sure, it might prevent someone from "snapping" and discharging a weapon as the result of something that happens inside the park, but it will not deter someone who is planning a mass attack. Terrorists don't act on a whim, they plan ahead.
While I agree that people behaving as if the security screener just killed their mother is unnecessary, a security screening should not be acceptable as a requirement for admission to an entertainment venue unless there is actually a known threat or high probability of some type of incident.
I'm a prosecutor, so I know what kind of screening methods are in place at airports and courthouses, which are targets for violent activity in addition to being terrorist targets and where the security is necessary. But a theme park, stadium, movie theater, Broadway theater, etc. have no real need for such measures (though I know that there are some events that do attract a crowd that might, en masse, be prone to violence, in which the security measures are warranted).
As am I, but why should I be treated like a criminal simply to ride a roller coaster simply because some people (wrongly) think they are going to be the victims of an attack?
It's value is minimal. The confiscated contraband is indicative of how much of it was previously brought into the parks prior to this additional security. But like I said above, it will really only prevent incidents that would have been incited inside the park by someone who "snaps" at some perceived threat to themselves, not a planned attack.
While I would agree that ignoring a solution because it is not 100% effective would be a ridiculous reason to exclude it, that in and of itself would not be a reason to include it. Add to the fact that at Disney the use of metal detectors is by random selection, making them pointless.
The point of terrorism is to scare people into doing what a terrorist wants, and when we go to extreme measures like metal detectors at theme parks and bomb dogs at Broadway shows, it proves that they are winning. But if you like being treated like a criminal just to feel safe, more power to you.
Sorry. I didn't see that one.
Now you're talking about people that are going above and beyond. As it has been said here before, this system is not fool proof. The original post I was replying to talked about implant metal and the embarrassment/harassment issues. Not the sneakiness of someone determined to get a gun inside the parks. Do I think for even one minute that this is a great system? No. Disney is just trying to be seen doing something. That way they can sit back when/if something does happen and say "Well, we did what we could."
Most people seem to think that this is about security, but the reality is that you are correct in that Disney (and the other parks) want to be seen as if they are doing something. They are trying to mitigate any future damages (i.e., claims) against them as a result of some type of incident. However, since the use of metal detectors is random, they are just as liable, if not moreso, with this new system.
First, the civil liberties in this country were fought for with the lives of our ancestral countrymen. To say that we need to sacrifice our civil rights in order to protect them is ridiculous. It is the responsibility of a country to protect its citizens from threats. However, in this country, we have rights. And they are not revocable simply because you or others want to "feel" safe. Now, of course, some of these rights do not apply to private property. But it is also the responsibility of a business to keep its customers safe, but that doesn't mean all guests should be scrutinized like criminals for that safety.
Second, it is not a deterrent at all. As I said in another post, it might prevent someone who, for whatever reason, had a weapon on them and is then incited to violence by some event once inside to park. But it will not prevent someone who has every intention of an attack in the park.
twilight mitsuk
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The fire depart that she works for will got on Disney for that.
PhotoDave219
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Rightfully so. It was a 5k ffs...
G00fyDad
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So you think that you can have both safety and security as well as the government completely 100% out of your life and not stepping on any civil liberties of yours? Really?. You really think life is that simple?
G00fyDad
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A person attempting or even planning to attempt get a gun into MK is already going above and beyond.
True, but you used the scenario of a woman approaching security to disclose her implant, which would result in security allowing her in and the problem was solved. This scenario was a defense as to why the metal detectors/wands are not a violation towards medical patients w/ implants and you even ended your statement with, "Easy.
I was just curious to know what your response would be as to how Disney would scan a medical patient considering that it would not be as easy as your scenario described. A simple disclosure of having a medical chest implant would most likely not result in automatic admittance. Should Disney disrobe the person? (we all know that wouldnt happen) Should they ask for medical documentation? (that could easily be forged) Should Disney deny them entrance? Im honestly curious and not trying to be a smart ***. I appreciate that youve remained level headed in this discussion (as most of us have) which truly helps people understand each others viewpoints even if they disagree. Oddly enough, the only people acting upset are the ones asking people to stop talking about it.
I actually didn't bring up with the woman with the implants. Someone else did and I was responding to their comment. Somehow it got twisted and turned around.
G00fyDad
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I could see somebody getting a pat down at Walt Disney World and getting shark-finned. LOL
gonnichi
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This past week I was at WDW and on one day I enter a WDW Theme Park a total of 6 times, Three different parks and leaving for meals and rest got me to 6 entries. Of those 6 entries I had to go through the metal detectors 5 times. The only time I didn't was the first entry in the morning. They said it was random searches but I think it was because I was a male with another male and no family or kids with us. We stated to watch who was getting chosen and it did seem to be males who were without kids. I got a bit upset at always getting chosen to do the metal detector and empty my pockets (I felt like I was perceived as a criminal) but I figured if I wanted to enter this is what I needed to do. So I just accepted it and enter and enjoyed the parks.
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gonnichi
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When I entered the parks the no bag check entries were still in use. It didn't take me much longer to enter the park when having to do the metal detectors. It was more about how it made me feel.
I swore I would not post again because obviously no one is going to change anyone's mind, but since I am one of "these people" I thought I should clarify. I define safety and security a bit differently than some. I wish everyone here would watch a video getting a lot of attention today of a 10-year-old girl getting an almost 2 minute "pat down" at an airport, including repeated touching of private areas of her body by a complete stranger. In any other era, we as adults would define what this child endures as molestation.Sorry. I didn't see that one.
Now you're talking about people that are going above and beyond. As it has been said here before, this system is not fool proof. The original post I was replying to talked about implant metal and the embarrassment/harassment issues. Not the sneakiness of someone determined to get a gun inside the parks. Do I think for even one minute that this is a great system? No. Disney is just trying to be seen doing something. That way they can sit back when/if something does happen and say "Well, we did what we could."
My entire personal issue with this whole thing is people that say their civil liberties are getting trampled on and coming up with scenarios to back up and bolster their high and mightier than thou sense of self-importance. These people want to have safety and security without giving up anything to get that security. Disney's metal detectors are not going to do much to prevent a real threat from a determined person/group, but it is at least something of a deterrent. I guarantee you that if something happened and Disney did not have this in place people would be flipping out because Disney didn't try to stop it.
My parents-and most parents I know-invested a lot of time and effort in keeping their children SAFE AND SECURE from encounters like that. The impetus in "security" is for more and more-not less (because, by the way, a lot of people are making a lot of money off "security equipment")-without a seeming pause for a "But wait, is that appropriate?" moment. Once this becomes accepted, and something else happens (and IT WILL; metal detectors were in airports almost thirty years prior to 9/11) then we will need MORE and MORE until this little girl's experience becomes the norm AT EVERY PUBLIC SPACE. To my mind, that would be a very unsafe world and I want "security" from it. We simply define security differently. It isn't just protection from gun violence and terrorists.
Finally, if they remove the metal detectors and "something" happens at Disney I would in no way hold Disney responsible. I'm a big girl. It's not their job to "keep me safe." The expectation that we need more and more nannies to protect us from hypothetical boogeymen is a sad commentary on us. For everyone who is terrified of gun violence, please stop driving because you are subjecting yourself-and your children-to the statistically most dangerous activity you can engage in. Dead is dead, whether you're shot or killed on the highway. Why the obsession with one threat and not the other? Walk to Disney World, please. That will keep you much safer than walking through a metal detector.
On a related note, I'm reading a wonderful book on the Salem witch trials and the hysteria around them where the author lists a series of ridiculous beliefs that humans have collectively held throughout history and points out that modern humans are no different, we just don't know yet which of our current beliefs will be proven ridiculous by posterity. I have to believe our infantile obsession with having "security checks" EVERYWHERE to "keep us safe" will go the way of believing in amulets to keep away demons and evil spirits. I hope I live long enough to see it. I'll wear my seatbelt. That will help. Metal detectors won't do a thing.
I'm going to bite - why did you have an old school phone in your bag?
draybook
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PhotoDave219
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Well, get to reading....
For the on ride photos. You gotta spice those bad boys up a little after youve ridden a million times