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[MrHappy]

So they would prefer people take it back to their car in a public parking lot rather than having it safely stored.

How 'bout they stay at home.

 

[s8film40]

How 'bout they stay at home.

Well that's good for me but, there's lots of people who like to bring their guns with them including to the parks. They may also feel they need them somewhere in between WDW and where they're driving from to get there.

 

[MrHappy]

Well that's good for me but, there's lots of people who like to bring their guns with them including to the parks. They may also feel they need them somewhere in between WDW and where they're driving from to get there.

They are as needed as my snow thrower. I'm upset there's no where to store my snow thrower at Disney. Both items are irrelevant at Disney World.

 

[s8film40]

They are as needed as my snow thrower. I'm upset there's no where to store my snow thrower at Disney. Both items are irrelevant at Disney World.

I'm not arguing wether they are needed at WDW or not. Certainly some people most definitely feel they are needed and those people are going to bring them. Most will probably just carry them with them in the park. However offering a secure storage solution for these particular guests probably promotes a safer environment.

 

[donsullivan]

I'm not arguing wether they are needed at WDW or not. Certainly some people most definitely feel they are needed and those people are going to bring them. Most will probably just carry them with them in the park. However offering a secure storage solution for these particular guests probably promotes a safer environment.

Walt Disney World is private property and their published rules clearly state that no firearms are allowed on their property. Disney has no responsibility to provide any storage for items that are banned on their property (and please don't cause a distraction about selfie sticks here). If a guest feels the need to travel with a firearm, the guest alone has a responsibility to be sure that it is secured properly in their vehicle and not try to transfer that responsibility to Disney.

 

[s8film40]

Walt Disney World is private property and their published rules clearly state that no firearms are allowed on their property. Disney has no responsibility to provide any storage for items that are banned on their property (and please don't cause a distraction about selfie sticks here). If a guest feels the need to travel with a firearm, the guest alone has a responsibility to be sure that it is secured properly in their vehicle and not try to transfer that responsibility to Disney.

I'm not disputing any of this at all just pointing out that sometimes when people are presented with better options they will choose them and things can be safer as a result. In this case they are taking an option away, I wouldn't argue that they should feel a need to create this option but really what is the reasoning to take it away?

 

[draybook]

Orlando Sentinel:

The Orange County Sheriff's Office's mounted patrol unit is expected to start appearing at Disney Springs next month. Disney and a sheriff's spokesman wouldn't disclose how often the horses will walk the premises. Disney wouldn't say what prompted use of the horses but said it had already been making plans for them before a Christmas night brawl at its dining and shopping complex that escalated into chaos when people mistakenly thought they'd heard gunshots.

Disney's theme parks have also stopped allowing guests to check firearms in with security and have them stored in special safes. Law enforcement officers can still have their weapons stored, though.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-disney-springs-horses-guns-20151230-story.html

What a bunch of horsesh......... oh, nvm.

 

[donsullivan]

I'm not disputing any of this at all just pointing out that sometimes when people are presented with better options they will choose them and things can be safer as a result. In this case they are taking an option away, I wouldn't argue that they should feel a need to create this option but really what is the reasoning to take it away?

The better and safer option is for the guest to not bring the firearm onto the property in the first place, full stop. But if they do bring it within the bounds of RCID property, take responsibility for themselves and keep it properly secured in their vehicle and stop expecting Disney to 'take care of things' for them. I'm sorry but everything else is just a distraction for a guest to not take responsibility for their own actions.

 

[s8film40]

The better and safer option is for the guest to not bring the firearm onto the property in the first place, full stop. But if they do bring it within the bounds of RCID property, take responsibility for themselves and keep it properly secured in their vehicle and stop expecting Disney to 'take care of things' for them. I'm sorry but everything else is just a distraction for a guest to not take responsibility for their own actions.

None of what you said explains a reason to take this option away. Theme parks often offer far more services than traditional businesses this was one of them at this particular resort. Yes the responsibility still lies with the gun owner. They don't have to offer lockers or wheelchairs and if they removed them could simply say it's your responsibility for taking care of your own stuff or providing your own wheelchair, but you can bet if they did that people would expect an explanation.

My point is only at a time when their trying to supposedly improve security why would they remove an option that helps someone safely store their weapon? This just seems to contradict their efforts.

 

[dstrawn9889]

Obvs not a carry permit guy, huh, don? IF YOU DO NOT CARRY, WHY DOES THIS MATTER TO YOU? out in that parking lot at MK is probably 2-3 TONS of personal protection sideams. The US constitution protects the right... just like the right to rant and rave about what someone might or might not have on their person legally. S80 had a great point, there used to be a secure storage option onsite. no there is not for the general public.

 

[donsullivan]

None of what you said explains a reason to take this option away. Theme parks often offer far more services than traditional businesses this was one of them at this particular resort. Yes the responsibility still lies with the gun owner. They don't have to offer lockers or wheelchairs and if they removed them could simply say it's your responsibility for taking care of your own stuff or providing your own wheelchair, but you can bet if they did that people would expect an explanation.

My point is only at a time when their trying to supposedly improve security why would they remove an option that helps someone safely store their weapon? This just seems to contradict their efforts.

That you are equating lockers and wheel chairs with firearm storage tells me this is a fruitless debate that I will no longer participate in.

 

[s8film40]

That you are equating lockers and wheel chairs with firearm storage tells me this is a fruitless debate that I will no longer participate in.

Well I was hoping to simply make an analogy, by no means am I equating lockers with guns.

My point is as a non gun person myself I don't see a good logical reason to remove this. If it's something albeit a small something that helps those who do bring guns to the park better secure their guns than why would any one wether they be pro guns or anti guns want that removed?

 

[dstrawn9889]

it is probably that some lawyer for disney said that there is too muich liability. either that or there was too many people looking to store there, and they have run out of space(keeping some volume open for LEOs)

 

[s8film40]

it is probably that some lawyer for disney said that there is too muich liability. either that or there was too many people looking to store there, and they have run out of space(keeping some volume open for LEOs)

Yeah that's the only thing that could really make sense, perhaps the metal detectors have created an increase in people just deciding to store them rather than go through have them found and then have to have them stored anyways. I think removing this option will only make people more likely to carry them into the park though and just take their chances they're not one of the few selected for the metal detectors.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Well that's good for me but, there's lots of people who like to bring their guns with them including to the parks. They may also feel they need them somewhere in between WDW and where they're driving from to get there.

Disney's policy is no guns. People will need to read this policy before they come to the park or they will learn it the first time they are forced to hop back on the ferry to the TTC.

The lockers are an obvious liability that Disney is choosing to not take.

 

[s8film40]

Disney's policy is no guns. People will need to read this policy before they come to the park or they will learn it the first time they are forced to hop back on the ferry to the TTC.

The lockers are an obvious liability that Disney is choosing to not take.

Yep, I'm well aware of that. Just don't think it's necessarily the best/safest choice.

If the lockers were a liability they would remove them completely rather than restrict who can use them so obviously that's not the case.

 

[Gabe1]

The lockers are an obvious liability that Disney is choosing to not take.

And my curiosity is when will Disney remove all lockers from the parks. Disney removed all their lockers from their resorts years ago. I would not be surprised for the guest general lockers to go away too within the parks.

I'm betting liability isn't the reason Disney has discontinued the long standing practice of storing fire arms that they created long ago. Mounted Officers in Springs, metal detectors security checks in major theme parks on the same morning? If I'm going to lean one way or the other on the topic there is more of a security risk with guns stored all together for patrons than a property risk liability IMO.

 

[MrHappy]

Get with the times. Just as Disney turned the Tobacco store on Main St in DL into a General Store, and just as they turned the (Pretend) Police Station (bc people thought it was a real one) into a meet and greet....things change with the times. The tobacco example illustrates a change bc society the police station represents a change bc of stupidity. This Gun into Disney represents both.
I'd like to bring forward this point again, bringing Guns inside a Disney Park is just like bringing a mattress....a snow thrower....a baking dish.....steak knives.....all these items are not needed at a Disney Park, and I manage to safely store them on my own. And the items I mentioned aren't on a Policy, they are just dumb to bring to Disney. And bringing a Gun into a Disney Theme Park, Constitution or not, is dumb, it benefits no one, and can only go wrong not right. Gun toters need to be personally responsible otherwise return the gun back to walmart or don't come to Disney and wait for the Minute Men to return.
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[s8film40]

Get with the times. Just as Disney turned the Tobacco store on Main St in DL into a General Store, and just as they turned the (Pretend) Police Station (bc people thought it was a real one) into a meet and greet....things change with the times. The tobacco example illustrates a change bc society the police station represents a change bc of stupidity. This Gun into Disney represents both.
I'd like to bring forward this point again, bringing Guns inside a Disney Park is just like bringing a mattress....a snow thrower....a baking dish.....steak knives.....all these items are not needed at a Disney Park, and I manage to safely store them on my own. And the items I mentioned aren't on a Policy, they are just dumb to bring to Disney. And bringing a Gun into a Disney Theme Park, Constitution or not, is dumb, it benefits no one, and can only go wrong not right. Gun toters need to be personally responsible otherwise return the gun back to walmart or don't come to Disney and wait for the Minute Men to return.
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The items you mention yes are not needed at WDW but they do not compare to bringing a gun. While I may not agree with the need, there is a valid reason why those who carry guns choose to do so at WDW. No one brings a gun to WDW hoping they will get a chance to use it. They bring it as a last resort defense in case something goes wrong. If you truly believe a gun serves absolutely no purpose in WDW then I challenge you do go up to the OCSD officers openly carrying them into the park and explain to them that bringing their gun in is like bringing a snow thrower and that they should take it back to their car. Perhaps maybe they will explain to you what kind of purpose a gun can have in a park. Now I'm not saying I agree with those who choose to take their guns into the park but I do understand where they're coming from, that just doesn't mean I agree with it. Many of those who choose to carry guns into WDW actually use the fact that they can carry a gun in as the reason they do, the logic is if they can so can anyone else. The reality is every time you visit a park you are coming in contact with people who are carrying guns, snow throwers not so much.

 

[MrHappy]

The items you mention yes are not needed at WDW but they do not compare to bringing a gun. While I may not agree with the need, there is a valid reason why those who carry guns choose to do so at WDW. No one brings a gun to WDW hoping they will get a chance to use it. They bring it as a last resort defense in case something goes wrong. If you truly believe a gun serves absolutely no purpose in WDW then I challenge you do go up to the OCSD officers openly carrying them into the park and explain to them that bringing their gun in is like bringing a snow thrower and that they should take it back to their car. Perhaps maybe they will explain to you what kind of purpose a gun can have in a park. Now I'm not saying I agree with those who choose to take their guns into the park but I do understand where they're coming from, that just doesn't mean I agree with it. Many of those who choose to carry guns into WDW actually use the fact that they can carry a gun in as the reason they do, the logic is if they can so can anyone else. The reality is every time you visit a park you are coming in contact with people who are carrying guns, snow throwers not so much.

I know by your comments that you're just playing devils advocate, but what you're suggesting is vigilantly justice. I'll let the authority handle the gun toting thank you very much. As for civilians bringing guns into a Disney park, I stand by them being as relevant as a snow thrower....dumb and not necessary. If the idea of gun toters is to bring a gun into Disney Parks in case "it goes down" (in the Happiest Place on Earth BTW) then there's bigger issues. If it indeed "goes down" I don't want civilians living the dream and playing hero as I shield my kids from ever Paul Blart out there, I'd rather the proper authorities take it.