News New security measures

[CaptainAmerica]

Already talked about this on twitter:

Part of my current employment is me dealing with a large amount of lawsuits involving the negligence of private security firms (CSC included). Most hire low-wage employees (some with violent criminal records), do minimal training, slap a jacket on them and put them in a position of authority/power. Very few adequate background checks are conducted (you'd be scared to know how many of the guards hired have been in jail 5+ times in recent years), and a lot of times they are a bigger danger than what they are supposed to be protecting the public from.

The staff manning the metal detectors are the not trained in guest relations at all, in fact I would go as far as to say they are the types you DON'T want interacting with someone on property.

I can only hope that CSC was brought in as a quick, temporary solution before disney can get their own staff adequately trained and bounce these thugs from property.

Even if they were the most competent and professional metal detector operators on the face of the earth, this isn't going to stop a damn thing. Know who else walked through metal detectors? Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz al-Omari, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Fayez Banihammad.

Personally for me, I'm not going to overreact to a couple of metal detectors until I can see how this all plays out.

It's not about "a couple of metal detectors." It's about the cloud of fear and paranoia that now hangs over the family vacation. A reminder that the world is a ty place, when you're at the one place built specifically to help you forget that.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Already talked about this on twitter:

Part of my current employment is me dealing with a large amount of lawsuits involving the negligence of private security firms (CSC included). Most hire low-wage employees (some with violent criminal records), do minimal training, slap a jacket on them and put them in a position of authority/power. Very few adequate background checks are conducted (you'd be scared to know how many of the guards hired have been in jail 5+ times in recent years), and a lot of times they are a bigger danger than what they are supposed to be protecting the public from.

The staff manning the metal detectors are the not trained in guest relations at all, in fact I would go as far as to say they are the types you DON'T want interacting with someone on property.

I can only hope that CSC was brought in as a quick, temporary solution before disney can get their own staff adequately trained and bounce these thugs from guest interaction

"Temporary"

 

[NowInc]

Even if they were the most competent and professional metal detector operators on the face of the earth, this isn't going to stop a damn thing. Know who else walked through metal detectors? Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz al-Omari, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Fayez Banihammad.

Oh I completely agree. I am just saying that the new security at the gates are more of a threat than what they are "protecting" everybody from.

 

[FullSailDan]

And yet nobody has shot up Walt Disney World. Imagine that.

Don't mistake the lack of anything bad happening as a sign of there being no threat. Disney has done a fantastic job of making sure you don't see when people are removed from the park for theft or other reasons. I see no reason to not assume the same wouldn't happen with a potential safety threat.

 

[bhg469]

Walking through a scanner is not a big deal every major stadium in america now does it... Does it fix anything? Maybe not but if it catches one idiot that may do something stupid to hurt my family then gosh darn I can deal with walking though a metal detector.... I had no problem when they check my bags I have no problem if I get stopped by an officer asking what I am doing. I hate that this is what we have to do today but these people want to hurt children and innocent people. I will hold the lives of a child so high as they are the future of this world! We won't fix these problems in my lifetime so I need them to fix it one day. So if that means to save one childs live I have to be frisked and wanded and probed then I will deal with it.

And most stadiums aren't there to sell a fantasy... Except the browns, sorry Cleveland a superbowl is a a fantasy there.

I make my living by getting people into stadiums, arenas and festivals. None of them has anything in common with Disney world, despite their attendance being similar. A ticketed event has people coming in all within and hour of the event. It's very different than what Disney does. Additionally, the security in Disney is already in place. They are more prepared than any American stadium for anything bad that may happen. And like I said before, if anything will happen, it will be in a crowded area like before security when the park opens, or special event where there is nowner to go.

 

[Texas84]

Anyone know how or if this will affect Marathon weekend events? Costumes are a huge deal for the races.

Just a guess, they shouldn't look like they can conceal anything. There is already a 'don't care' attitude popping up at runDisney. If this keeps up the WDW Star Wars races could get ugly.

 

[bhg469]

I am very sad to see these measures come to Disney. Sad to see what our country and our world has become.

We're ruled by Paranoia and Fear and that's not a good thing at all.

And it seems that this is all influenced by the government. Letting disney handle this on their own will be smarter every time.

 

[clfranklin1012]

..... I want a source better than Intercot to confirm this.

..... I want a source better than Intercot to confirm this.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/17/news/companies/disney-seaworld-universal-metal-detector/index.html

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Don't mistake the lack of anything bad happening as a sign of there being no threat. Disney has done a fantastic job of making sure you don't see when people are removed from the park for theft or other reasons. I see no reason to not assume the same wouldn't happen with a potential safety threat.

A couple of points. First, Disney doesn't remove people for theft. It's specifically trained out of cast members that theft is not a valid reason to confront a guest. Second, this isn't "making sure you don't see." This is a PR gimmick specifically so you DO see all the super duper security they're putting into place. It's pea-cocking.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

I predict that the hoard of lines in front of parks will double, as keys, spare change and watches trigger the detectors for every guest.

EDIT: Maybe not so bad... One report says, "Only some guests, who are randomly selected, will have to go through the metal detectors."

 

[NowInc]

..although this will sound like a joke..im serious..

This is going to conflict BIG time with the guests who already claim that due to disabilities, they or their children can't handle crowds or long lines.

 

[Diznyfan]

So it looks like part of this new policy does not allow those 14+ in with costumes. I don't think this part has changed from before as it relates to regular park admission, but I wonder if it will affect anything with next year's MNSSHP?

 

[PhotoDave219]

So it looks like part of this new policy does not allow those 14+ in with costumes. I don't think this part has changed from before as it relates to regular park admission, but I wonder if it will affect anything with next year's MNSSHP?

At the moment, no changes to MNSSHP

 

[NowInc]

At the moment, no changes to MNSSHP

They have a few months to figure out how they are going to handle that. I think the lack of official stance on it at this point has been very deliberate.

 

[PhotoDave219]

All three theme park operators in Orlando agreed to implement increased security last night, at least temporarily. My partner and I both operate in the security arena, (I'm IT cyber warfare, he's intel threat analyst) and we both immediately felt there is more than just "something may happen someday" going on. There had to be a credible threat on the table for them to take this seriously. More than likely all three companies did EVERYTHING they could to keep talk of the threat out of the news because it would KILL visitor counts. Yes, security at the airports is theater, and yes there is a level of irrational anxiety that plays into the cycle. But, if we don't take basic steps, we have no one to blame but ourselves when something does go wrong.

I'm skeptical of a foreign terror plot at the parks, but I suppose it's possible. I would be more inclined based on recent trends to see crazies within the US attempting something.

Interesting.

 

[bhg469]

I will post this as much as I can because people seem to be confused, especially on twitter.

This is NOT necessary, it is being forced on the parks. Suggesting that this is necessary is admitting that you don't trust public places and you should not leave your home.

 

[planters49]

Wonder if you will be able to schedule a fastpass+ to get through security quicker? (LOL)

 

[PhilharMagician]

And yet nobody has shot up Walt Disney World. Imagine that.

I have had a concealed carry permit for 25 years and believe in my rights to carry a gun. I hope that a shooting never happens in any theme park!

Why even do the security bag checks and only check bags and let the other guests walk right in the park who could be concealing something easily in a jacket, cargo pockets or inside their clothing? Believe me when I say that I want to see metal detectors and pat downs happen, but why do half the job?

 

[note2001]

Disney's no fool. They know the ability to stop someone(s) intending upon doing harm to guests is near impossible, but they are also experts at playing with the human mind. The first step in preventing any sort of an attack is to stop the person(s) who are considering such an act from thinking they can actually get away with it.

That's what this is - a visual. If I were Disney though, I'd have a strong word with the screeners - even if this was taken before hours, the glazed look in their eyes shows lack of attention to their job.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Don't mistake the lack of anything bad happening as a sign of there being no threat. Disney has done a fantastic job of making sure you don't see when people are removed from the park for theft or other reasons. I see no reason to not assume the same wouldn't happen with a potential safety threat.

Nobody there for an attack is just going to be quietly escorted out and politely talked down. There being a 'threat' doesn't mean anything. That is the whole point of terrorism, not create a sense of terror. We're walking around afraid of each other and soothing ourselves with silly shows that repeatedly have shown to do nothing. This Hobbesian notion of us all being inherently evil is dangerous; we'll tear ourselves apart before we are torn apart by others.

I have had a concealed carry permit for 25 years and believe in my rights to carry a gun. I hope that a shooting never happens in any theme park!

Why even do the security bag checks and only check bags and let the other guests walk right in the park who could be concealing something easily in a jacket, cargo pockets or inside their clothing? Believe me when I say that I want to see metal detectors and pat downs happen, but why do half the job?

Because the 'half job' is just as ineffective as the 'full job.'

Disney's no fool. They know the ability to stop someone(s) intending upon doing harm to guests is near impossible, but they are also experts at playing with the human mind. The first step in preventing any sort of an attack is to stop the person(s) who are considering such an act from thinking they can actually get away with it.

That's what this is - a visual. If I were Disney though, I'd have a strong word with the screeners - even if this was taken before hours, the glazed look in their eyes shows lack of attention to their job.

That's nonsense. We've already, repeatedly seen attacks where the means of thwarting the attack are considered in advance and simply sidestepped. What is that saying about do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result?