News New Park Entrance coming to Epcot

[note2001]

Hell no. I’m sure they have no intention of building a fifth gate. But they no longer think the market is too mature to see returns on investments in their existing four. And regardless, all four make far more money every year than what is spent on them. So my point is, neither reason I quoted is accurate nor applies to why they wouldn’t build a fifth gate.

All they have to do is proclaim TL and BB as 5th and 6th gates, taking a page out of another company's book.

 

[Unplugged]

All they have to do is proclaim TL and BB as 5th and 6th gates, taking a page out of another company's book.

They might as well. We all pay admission and they are separate parks. Of course, if they do, Park hopper would now apply and we could save a few bucks on package deals. Unless you are only hitting a water park, then the seasonal $110+ per day would take effect and we'd all be... well... keeping it friendly... hosed.

 

[lazyboy97o]

All they have to do is proclaim TL and BB as 5th and 6th gates, taking a page out of another company's book.

Disney has claimed sixth gates in certain markets, notably the U.K., well before Universal claimed Volcano Bay as their third park.

 

[note2001]

Disney has claimed sixth gates in certain markets, notably the U.K., well before Universal claimed Volcano Bay as their third park.

I was unaware they were doing this. Well, if they're planning on being here for a month as many UK folk do, it makes sense to make it seem like there's an endless supply of entertainment (which there is, even with 4 gates).

 

[Spash007]

Just saw on Blog Mickey that the construction walls now encompass the fountain up front as well, and look to head all the way to where the other tombstones use to lay. This makes sense given the other sides' removal first giving a wide open area, and the new RD procedure, but I'm pleasantly surprised just how much they are handling in this phase.

 

[SirWillow]

From just before the construction walls went up in the above post, they had half of the markers removed when we were there about a week and a half ago:

 

[jaxonp]

The whole park

Peanuts... Disney is going to rake in 10 Billion at the box office this year.

 

[peter11435]

Peanuts... Disney is going to rake in 10 Billion at the box office this year.

Well, to be fair not nearly that much actually goes to Disney and only a fraction of what’s left is actually profit.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Peanuts... Disney is going to rake in a net profit of 1/2 Billion at the box office this year after expenses and profit-sharing with the theaters.

FTFY!

 

[jaxonp]

FTFY!

Poor Disney. I wonder how the other studios feel.

Top 2019 Movies at the Worldwide Box Office

This chart contains the total worldwide box office for the movies released in 2019.

www.the-numbers.com

Disney owns the top 6 movies this year and still have Frozen 2 and Star Wars yet to hit. Disney needs no more excuses. The money is there.

 

[Tom P.]

I have no doubt in Disney’s ability to inefficiently spend money. After Guardians, Ratatouille, the nighttime show, a refurb or two, and an overall park redesign, I imagine all they’ll have left is a few dollars for lunch. What I listed is certainly a great amount of stuff, no doubt. But for the money being spent there should be more, and I don’t know that there’ll be as much as some seem to anticipate. Alas that’s nothing new.



Because those hungry mouths are also incredibly profitable. What they make outweighs what they spend on any domestic park.



It was a view that even its strongest supporters, including Bob Iger, have realized they were wrong on.

The core issue with building a fifth park is, I believe, whether or not it causes guests to extend their stays at Walt Disney World by at least another day. If they build a new park and guests visit it instead of one of the existing parks, but their overall time at WDW remains the same, it's not a net benefit to Disney. They need to have people there longer buying extra ticket days, more merchandise, longer resort stays, etc.

I believe it's been referenced around here multiple times that Disney's experience and research shows that they are already at the magic one week time frame that works with most Americans' vacations. They have concluded that adding a fifth park is not going to result in enough people staying more days to make it worthwhile.

 

[No Name]

The core issue with building a fifth park is, I believe, whether or not it causes guests to extend their stays at Walt Disney World by at least another day. If they build a new park and guests visit it instead of one of the existing parks, but their overall time at WDW remains the same, it's not a net benefit to Disney. They need to have people there longer buying extra ticket days, more merchandise, longer resort stays, etc.

I believe it's been referenced around here multiple times that Disney's experience and research shows that they are already at the magic one week time frame that works with most Americans' vacations. They have concluded that adding a fifth park is not going to result in enough people staying more days to make it worthwhile.

That is exactly the core issue, but it’s also important to note that Bob Iger thought DAK (four parks) was too much for a long time, citing people shifting their vacation days from other parks to DAK resulting in only a 2 million bump in overall resort attendance DAK’s opening year. However, that has since leveled out quite nicely, and there’s no longer numbers to support any idea that four is too many.

So just like Bob Iger unfortunately wouldn’t have had a fourth park built if he were in charge back then, he isn’t having a fifth built. I don’t think we can know if that’s the right decision or not unless it happens.

 

[nickys]

I’m trying to follow what’s happening here, like where the other walls are and so on. But I’m struggling beyond the monoliths.

Can someone draw it on a map for me, please? It would help me get things straight in my mind!

 

[trainplane3]

I’m trying to follow what’s happening here, like where the other walls are and so on. But I’m struggling beyond the monoliths.

Can someone draw it on a map for me, please? It would help me get things straight in my mind!

This help? Should be mostly accurate.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

This help? Should be mostly accurate.

That is AWESOME. Do you mind if I use this in my FB group (with credit, of course)? I'm doing a live-feed tonight talking about all the different areas of construction.

 

[trainplane3]

That is AWESOME. Do you mind if I use this in my FB group (with credit, of course)? I'm doing a live-feed tonight talking about all the different areas of construction.

I don't mind. Give credit to the forums here and BlogMickey since that's where I (roughly) figured out the wall placement.
Link to BM: https://blogmickey.com/2019/08/future-world-preparations-for-epcot-overhaul-and-food-wine-festival/

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I don't mind. Give credit to the forums here and BlogMickey since that's where I (roughly) figured out the wall placement.
Link to BM: https://blogmickey.com/2019/08/future-world-preparations-for-epcot-overhaul-and-food-wine-festival/

Will do! Thank you!

EDIT: My group members probably think I think you guys all walk on water, lol...I'm constantly referring to people here and the forums and website.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I’m trying to follow what’s happening here, like where the other walls are and so on. But I’m struggling beyond the monoliths.

Can someone draw it on a map for me, please? It would help me get things straight in my mind!

Also here...

 

[nickys]

This help? Should be mostly accurate.

Thanks. Any chance of annotating it?

Someone also mentioned that they’d moved the rope drop entrance, and closed off the “original entrance”? I don’t even know where the original entrance is on there, thinking maybe that’s the path from the trams to the west of the monorail? Or not!

And where’s the wall around Communicore? Or isn’t it up yet?

See, I really am confused now as to what is coming down and what’s being remodelled. West is coming down I think, which is where the IP (Moana) water feature is going? Does that mean both of the buildings in the west?

I think what I really need is that drawing which someone did with all the pavilions labelled and the new “beer garden” bit, overlaid with your map showing the areas marked that are actually now “underway”. Not too much to ask, at all.

As you can tell, I’m failing miserably right now to visualise this altogether, despite your best efforts. Which are much appreciated!

 

[trainplane3]

Thanks. Any chance of annotating it?

Someone also mentioned that they’d moved the rope drop entrance, and closed off the “original entrance”? I don’t even know where the original entrance is on there, thinking maybe that’s the path from the trams to the west of the monorail? Or not!

And where’s the wall around Communicore? Or isn’t it up yet?

See, I really am confused now as to what is coming down and what’s being remodelled. West is coming down I think, which is where the IP (Moana) water feature is going? Does that mean both of the buildings in the west?

I think what I really need is that drawing which someone did with all the pavilions labelled and the new “beer garden” bit, overlaid with your map showing the areas marked that are actually now “underway”. Not too much to ask, at all.

As you can tell, I’m failing miserably right now to visualise this altogether, despite your best efforts. Which are much appreciated!

- Rope drop is now right next to SSE's queue. I believe it used to be right next to the fountain but due to the rocks leaving, they pushed it up so there wouldn't be as much of a "funnel" effect for the opening rush.
- The wall by CC West is right next to the Seas:

- CC West is dead. It's all coming down. Art store, Starbucks, Club Cool.
- The water path will *apparently* cut through from where the art store is at directly to the Seas.

I don't mind helping when the person asking is being nice about it!

I think @MisterPenguin has a diagram of the booze zone for the middle of FW.