EPCOT New Park Entrance coming to Epcot

[Wngo905]

Have you watched the cbs all access shows?... It already has been ruined, IMO.

Not to derail the thread. Yes, it took me a long time even watch the second episode of Discovery (based on the free Pilot episode). The constant sun lens flairs distracted me (78 lens flairs in the first episode). When I got CBS All Access Christmas 2019 due to the special offer, I gave Discovery a chance, the lens flairs eventually did calm down. I really liked it from Mudd on. Now, the explaination on why Discovery is so technlogicaly superior to all others and that the crew missions and names can never be mentioned, was a little weird.

Picard, I was eager to see from the get go. That is why I grabbed the special. Then I watched the show...... got through most episodes hoping the story line would get better. The only episode that had me entertained was Riker and Troi. I have not finished the first season yet. Don't know if I will.

So, now when do we think the walls come down and the water turned on?

 

[montyz81]

Let's also not loose sight of how many fans gushing over this fountain for being "classic" are the ones who've spent the last several years online defending Frozen being in EPCOT, the bar on legs, the clumsy design of France's expansion etc.
They like retro EPCOT when its on a t-shirt. They don't care for the philosophy and standards EPCOT's aesthetic was designed to support.

People were defending Frozen being in Epcot? Those people are not purists. (FYI: lose not loose)

 

[montyz81]

Source?

C'mon. It has to be acrylic. Disney wouldn't spend the money on glass! But, the old one was acrylic so, I am fine with it if it is acrylic. Also, why are people now calling these pylons? Aren't they prisms? Weren't they originally prisms? Pylons make me think of a pier at a beach. It also makes me think of Cylons. (OK, stream of consciousness over).

 

[The Rocketeer]

Not to derail the thread. Yes, it took me a long time even watch the second episode of Discovery (based on the free Pilot episode). The constant sun lens flairs distracted me (78 lens flairs in the first episode). When I got CBS All Access Christmas 2019 due to the special offer, I gave Discovery a chance, the lens flairs eventually did calm down. I really liked it from Mudd on. Now, the explaination on why Discovery is so technlogicaly superior to all others and that the crew missions and names can never be mentioned, was a little weird.

Picard, I was eager to see from the get go. That is why I grabbed the special. Then I watched the show...... got through most episodes hoping the story line would get better. The only episode that had me entertained was Riker and Troi. I have not finished the first season yet. Don't know if I will.

So, now when do we think the walls come down and the water turned on?

Agreed. I don’t like the continuity errors with the technology. The Mudd episodes are good and I like Saru. I’m intrigued about the next season for sure. It’s still my least favorite trek show probably. With Picard it’s though. The Riker and Troi episode was good, the rest I thought were...fine, but the show feels like it’s in an alternate universe. Ok I’m done now, sorry all

 

[CastAStone]

C'mon. It has to be acrylic. Disney wouldn't spend the money on glass! But, the old one was acrylic so, I am fine with it if it is acrylic. Also, why are people now calling these pylons? Aren't they prisms? Weren't they originally prisms? Pylons make me think of a pier at a beach. It also makes me think of Cylons. (OK, stream of consciousness over).

Glass is definitely cheaper than acrylic in 2020. Things have changed a lot in the last 10 years (to say nothing of the last 5 months) and glass has wound up cheaper than high quality plastics for most applications.

 

[AHA101]

C'mon. It has to be acrylic. Disney wouldn't spend the money on glass! But, the old one was acrylic so, I am fine with it if it is acrylic. Also, why are people now calling these pylons? Aren't they prisms? Weren't they originally prisms? Pylons make me think of a pier at a beach. It also makes me think of Cylons. (OK, stream of consciousness over).

And to add, acrylic weighs less than glass, so they would probably have to modify the existing structure too much in order for these PYLONS to created out of glass. Imagine all the coins hitting the glass also....

 

[JohnD]

All that and they can't pressure wash the monorail beams? Sad.

Maybe they'll get a once-every-50-years pressure wash sometime before October 1 of next year.

 

[JohnD]

Agreed. I don’t like the continuity errors with the technology. The Mudd episodes are good and I like Saru. I’m intrigued about the next season for sure. It’s still my least favorite trek show probably. With Picard it’s though. The Riker and Troi episode was good, the rest I thought were...fine, but the show feels like it’s in an alternate universe. Ok I’m done now, sorry all

I like Pike and his crew. Looking forward to that new series, if they were even able to start filming due to COVID. I expect I'll like that one better than Discovery. It's an actual prequel to TOS.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Anyway they could get a better version of Fountain Of Nations in the same, original area?

 

[montyz81]

Glass is definitely cheaper than acrylic in 2020. Things have changed a lot in the last 10 years (to say nothing of the last 5 months) and glass has wound up cheaper than high quality plastics for most applications.

I stand corrected. The original PRISMS were acrylic I believe were they not?

 

[montyz81]

Epcot Prisms

I just found out a bit more information about where the Prisms may have gone. It seems they were shipped out to California via MouseSurplus. I thought they all went in different directions, but this video leads me to believe they all went to the same place. Anyone have any more information I...

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[montyz81]

View attachment 490439
just now

For comparison:

Old and New.

 

[trainplane3]

The winner is...

acrylic!

 

[michmousefan]

Question: When were the first pillars removed? Was it the same time as the installation of the tombstones?

 

[Beacon Joe]

Do we know who is manufacturing the pylons? It's not the same artist who created the first ones, so did they consult with him on it? From what I heard, he went through some significant trial and error with the mass and the bends in the acrylic.

ETA: Not sure about the haha, so if you don't believe me, listen to the recent interview w/ Gene Brignola.

 

[ThatMouse]

Nice, they look like the original ones!

This is probably the material when they say "acrylic"

Poly(methyl methacrylate) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[nickys]

Let's also not loose sight of how many fans gushing over this fountain for being "classic" are the ones who've spent the last several years online defending Frozen being in EPCOT, the bar on legs, the clumsy design of France's expansion etc.

They like retro EPCOT when its on a t-shirt. They don't care for the philosophy and standards EPCOT's aesthetic was designed to support.

You have a slightly annoying tendency to lump people together and then make sweeping generalisations about them. Please stop! By all means disagree with people but don’t presume to know their thoughts, and there is zero reason to be so condescending towards people who happen to hold different views to your own.

I love the fountain, and yet words cannot express my hatred of the Frozen overlay of Maelstrom.

 

[Goofyernmost]

You have a slightly annoying tendency to lump people together and then make sweeping generalisations about them. Please stop! By all means disagree with people but don’t presume to know their thoughts, and there is zero reason to be so condescending towards people who happen to hold different views to your own.

I love the fountain, and yet words cannot express my hatred of the Frozen overlay of Maelstrom.

I, on the other hand, do not waste my negative emotions on a theme park ride or any other aspect of a theme park. I think frozen is fine and even though I liked Maelstrom I think that Frozen was a vast improvement for the overall area. At some point everyone has got to accept that this is 2020 and not 1982. The public in general rejected EPCOT Ctr. within a few years because they rejected spending a lot of money to watch an educational program that was in some aspects, beyond the boat ride, boring to the "enth" degree and not relatable to anyone not from Norway. Granted that is my opinion but it seems logical to me that if EPCOT were that epic to the majority it would still be following that same mission statement.

1982 was pre-internet, at least to the majority of the public, now everything you ever wanted to know about anything is as easy as typing your name and the internet connections now are cheaper then a Mickey Bar. No one wants to pay $100.00 per day to be bombarded with stuff they can get almost free sitting in front of their laptop or even phone, for that matter.

 

[Goofyernmost]

The winner is...

acrylic!

That should satisfy a whole lot of nostalgia seekers and is a very nice touch. But, than again, what wouldn't be better then the Graveyard Entrance.

 

[nickys]

I, on the other hand, do not waste my negative emotions on a theme park ride or any other aspect of a theme park. I think frozen is fine and even though I liked Maelstrom I think that Frozen was a vast improvement for the overall area. At some point everyone has got to accept that this is 2020 and not 1982. The public in general rejected EPCOT Ctr. within a few years because they rejected spending a lot of money to watch an educational program that was in some aspects, beyond the boat ride, boring to the "enth" degree and not relatable to anyone not from Norway. Granted that is my opinion but it seems logical to me that if EPCOT were that epic to the majority it would still be following that same mission statement.

1982 was pre-internet, at least to the majority of the public, now everything you ever wanted to know about anything is as easy as typing your name and the internet connections now are cheaper then a Mickey Bar. No one wants to pay $100.00 per day to be bombarded with stuff they can get almost free sitting in front of their laptop or even phone, for that matter.

I hadn’t visited WDW in 1982, it was a decade later before my first experience. My views are nothing to do with with not wanting change.

As for Maelstrom, you might as well say that the Morocco souk is unrelateable to anyone not from Morocco, or that the Canadian totem poles mean nothing to anyone other than Canadians. The WS pavilions provide a snapshot of the country in question, a representation. The fact that many of them have architecture based on real places is perhaps lost on many but adds to the distinct feel of each country.

The Frozen ride is only relatable to a demographic of pre-teens; I didn’t even realise it was supposed to be a kind of sequel to the movie - and I’ve seen it. The ride was an attempt to capitalise on the success of a movie that was very tenuously inspired by a story that came from Scandinavia, written by a Dane. The closest connection it has to Norway specifically is that the town in the movie is similarly named to a region of Norway - a region that is on the opposite side of the country with no fjords and pretty flat as far as Norway can be! At least Maelstrom contained trolls, oil, river rapids and a waterfall - all of which are connected to the real Norway.

As for the other changes, I admit to having been quite excited by the “bar on legs” as an interesting architectural building, but just not in place of Innoventions. It didn’t fit there and would have been better placed somewhere else. Ditto the new water feature walk-through.