RSoxNo1
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And this could be people releasing ones that they're unable to make themselves, or Disney holding some back. There have been rumors that Disney releases same day ones as well.
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New Pandora Lands?
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I think there is more than a little truth with the latter.
AEfx
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Exactly. Disney didn't dump over a billion dollars into a land just to spread existing guests around a bit more. They could have built almost literally anything at DAK and people would have waited in line for it, particularly since the Studios are in such dire straits right now.
cjkeating
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A couple of completely unscientific observations from my recent trip...
Animal Kingdom felt like the second busiest park after Magic Kingdom when you compare the size/layout. DHS felt busy but the park has the footprint of a stamp, Epcot was quiet. Each night at AK it also had two full showing of Rivers of Light so that's at least 10,000 people staying until after dark when the park used to be closed.
Navi River Journey was consistently loading 4 in each row (two pairs of two when necessary) and dispatching the boats very quickly, due to the layout I didn't spend enough time in the loading area to have the chance to time dispatch rates - does anyone have a figure?
Animal Kingdom felt like the second busiest park after Magic Kingdom when you compare the size/layout. DHS felt busy but the park has the footprint of a stamp, Epcot was quiet. Each night at AK it also had two full showing of Rivers of Light so that's at least 10,000 people staying until after dark when the park used to be closed.
Navi River Journey was consistently loading 4 in each row (two pairs of two when necessary) and dispatching the boats very quickly, due to the layout I didn't spend enough time in the loading area to have the chance to time dispatch rates - does anyone have a figure?
that jives with what ive heard for a while
BrianLo
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Under capacity? Yes, but it's also in clear demand and doing very well. It did not however really grow the WDW market, it grew AK via more of a shift from DHS and Epcot. Let's be realistic though - Star Wars will grow the WDW market, Pandora will do its job and continue to make AK a viable park option along with MK while the struggling two get their IP on.
I think this merger solidifies phase 2 inevitably.
It also raises the likelihood of this being shopped out to China and Paris. The only problem is Pandora is third fiddle to Star Wars and Marvel in terms of prioritization overseas.
I think this merger solidifies phase 2 inevitably.
It also raises the likelihood of this being shopped out to China and Paris. The only problem is Pandora is third fiddle to Star Wars and Marvel in terms of prioritization overseas.
the.dreamfinder
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FWIW, income inequality in the United States is killing WDW & DL’s long term organic growth. It's a real shame because so many kids, Disney's most impressionable audience, won’t get to ever go.
That’s my way of saying, the parks would be that much more popular if more people could afford to go.
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Cameron1529
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I don't necessarily think saying the land hasn't helped due to it not increasing overall attendance and causing dissatisfaction due to long wait times, is correct. The land brought a much needed face lift to the AK, however as most things are it is up for debate depending on personal opinions.
britain
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Not in China.
you could easily make an argument it stabilized attendance from the down fall it was going you could also say it saved attendance because the lack of international travelers coming to WDW due to the current political climate
there are lots of reasons that factor into attendance
heck the last quarter the overall domestic attendance went up 8% i believe
Hot take: DAK will pass EPCOT this year
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Christian Fronckowiak
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RSoxNo1
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I've made the same prediction.
Wealth inequality means nothing if everyone makes more money. On the flip side Disney is also raises prices every year in an attempt to control crowds.
the.dreamfinder
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Uhhh, so having an ever decreasing share of the US population who can afford a Disney World vacation, its core market, is a good thing? A Disney World vacation is a consumer product and if the market for that product shirks and or stays flat, which is another kind of decline given our nation’s growing population, in GOOD economic times, there’s a massive problem. The price increases are designed to increase short term revenues from a shrinking consumer base, but then in turn prompts a viscous cycle of stagnation and net decline.
Have you considered that the park’s crowding problem comes from inefficient attraction design (i.e. New Es with THRCs well below Pirates/Mansion or failing to expand net park capacity for things like SW:GE at DHS) and FP+ placing more guests out of queues and onto the thoroughfares? Or the role Annual Passholder blackouts play in overcrowding?
Perhaps it’s just too hard to imagine, but a US economy with far more equitable income distribution would yield a much larger consumer base for WDW and DL vacations. Under such a scenario, Burbank would HAVE to build fifth and third gates and affordable lodging so that organic growth could continue unabated. And with every net gain of a family going on a Disney vacation, generations of young guests, who will one day pay to bring their families, ensure a solid future for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts for decades to come.
No Name
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And how Shanghai Disneyland works, and Tokyo too, I'm fairly certain.
