Rumor New nighttime show at Epcot

The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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AJH219 said:
Or just skip that snoozefest and see IGNITE at SeaWorld, the clear winner of fountain, laser, and fireworks shows in Orlando.
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A single second of RoE beats all of IGNITE, but otherwise, yes, great nightime show! I liked Electric Ocean so much I saw it four times last trip. Aquatica + SEA at night, quite the combo! ;)
 
brb1006

brb1006

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WDW Monorail said:
Yes, the choreography is awful. Lighting design is even worse. I just do not like that song even in TSO’s concerts. In more recent years they’ve added flame projector fans which are the best feature for that particular song. The lights and video effects just dont work well with the song.
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But the fountains look good.
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marni1971

marni1971

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mnelson3 said:
So basically WDW turned it down because they didn’t want a show with fountains? Visually I think the only difference between HEA and Disney Dreams is fountains.
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And flame jets. Don’t forget the flames. Which were also proposed for WDW. As was the largest fountain install of any of the castle parks.

Dreams was built upon the infrastructure plans for Orlando.
 
Disney Analyst

Disney Analyst

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FerretAfros said:
While WOC is incredible from a technical perspective, it has some serious flaws on the creative side that really stand out on repeated viewings.

One of the things that made DL's original Fantasmic! so great was the pacing, how the intensity builds and it keeps revealing new tricks throughout the show. One of WOC's biggest weaknesses is that it shows all its cards (except the fire and in-audience effects, both of which are used very minimally) by the end of the introduction with the main theme song, about 2 minutes into the 28-minute show. We see how tall the fountains go, we know the colors available, we know which heads move and which are stationary, we know which areas around the lagoon will interact with the show; there just aren't a lot of surprises to unfold after that sequence, which lets it drag in many places later on.

Where WOC is most successful, it reinvents imagery from film in a creative-yet-recognizable manner (the stampede) or in an entirely abstract form (Buzz/Zurg battle). But all too often, it resorts to simply playing familiar images on a water screen. While there's nothing wrong with that as an occasional technique, it's often used as a crutch to lean on, rather than letting the fountains take the starring role. Instead of including segments because they make for a compelling show, it often feels like they were included for the sake of having more familiar faces.

Some of the music choices are also dubious. While the show uses some inventive interpretations on under-utilized pieces to great effect (April Shower, Firebird), it also uses some that are serviceable in their original films but aren't terribly memorable tunes out of context (Wall-E score, Pines of Rome). And as the forebear of Steve Davison's big recent shows, it relies too heavily on those same few films and songs that seem to pop up in every single production these days. The World of Color song is also used too sparingly, only bookending the production, rather than being integrated into a more cohesive soundtrack.

There were also major revisions to the show shortly before opening (allegedly at Iger's personal request), and it shows. Many of the transitions are often choppy or non-sensical, or rely on characters quoting themselves out of context. The segments don't build in intensity from one to the next, but are treated as stand-alone elements. That multiple segments have been swapped in and out through the years, with no discernible difference in show quality (the Hellfire/Firebird to Pirates swap not withstanding), only reinforces the notion that the show's structure followed a modular plug-and-play model, rather than tracing an overall emotional arc structure.

Additionally, the quality of the show can vary widely depending which version you see. The original is pretty good; the various Winter Dreams iterations have fluctuated between good and mediocre; the 60th show was just plain bad. Although they're not as common these days, the promotional tags have ranged from excellent (Tron-core) to lackluster (Brave).

To me, World of Color is one of Disney's most frustrating shows. It is a big-budget production with impressive technology, but in a lot of ways it feels like a major missed opportunity. It's not bad, but it has so much potential that it just doesn't quite live up to.
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I don't fully agree, but I also agree to an extent. I think the original version of WoC that premiered did a great job of building into all the effects. The big crazy shooter fountain that are taller then the Wheel aren't used until the Zurg battle, they introduce flames, and the audience fountains. The butterfly fountains etc. There was always something interesting happening. That villains sequence into hellfire was amazing.

As they've made changes it has kind of gone downhill. The Coaster Lights were added to Winter Dreams, and only appeared fully at the end, which was a WOW moment. Now they start from the get go in all version. I do think Season of Light is actually one of their most successful versions, lot's of great fountain choreo.

But that is indeed a problem I have with many of the new shows, which you highlight, showing your cards too early. The original Fantasmic was brilliant because they kept building on, revealing new tricks, not overusing. The lasers used to appear at the end only, Mickey only appeared on top of the Mill for the finale, you didn't see the dragon rise up, it just appeared and then you'd question how.

A lot of the new shows are just, throw everything we've got from the beginning. There is no build, and minimal surprise.
 
TTA94

TTA94

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marni1971 said:
And flame jets. Don’t forget the flames. Which were also proposed for WDW. As was the largest fountain install of any of the castle parks.

Dreams was built upon the infrastructure plans for Orlando.
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Possibility of them revisiting those plans for the 50th?
 
Tacky3663

Tacky3663

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I personally love RoE, but I honestly can’t wait to see what EPCOT does with the 50th, If they wanna top RoE, they need to do something creative and original, Like they said before, by of course using Drones, Fountains, Flame Jets, And of course, lots and lots of Fireworks, you can’t have a Disney show without Fireworks and I’m hoping this could feature more fireworks than any other Disney show in Company History, Cause I’ve got a big feeling Disney is going to go all in with these shows for the 50th. And with the amount of room given in World Showcase, It seems like a perfect idea, Like maybe have 3 or 4 rows of barges for fireworks, maybe keep the Inferno Barge from RoE as well as adding some flame jets on the river, and add WoC style fountains as well as using the drones to disney’s Advantage, If all of this goes well, We are in for a really spectacular show.

And hell why not incorporate these effects into “Heartbeat of Freedom” and the “Peace on Earth” finales


So yeah, For EPCOT, my suggestion is an IGNITE style show only 10x bigger and and having it focus on more fireworks as well as using the new drone technology, combine that with WoC style fountains, flame jets, lasers and maybe some Co2 Jets near the fences like they did with World of Color Celebrate and you’ve got an amazing show.

And to end the show with a big “bang”, I’d suggest maybe doing something a bit like the finales of Heartbeat of Freedom and Peace on Earth, except a bit shorter, and maybe ending it with a display of maybe 500 to 1,000 salutes going off in UNICEF, So kinda like the RoE finale except much louder

Do that and you’ve got a masterpiece

Only problem would be money
 
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Tacky3663

Tacky3663

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Tacky3663 said:
I personally love RoE, but I honestly can’t wait to see what EPCOT does with the 50th, If they wanna top RoE, they need to do something creative and original, Like they said before, by of course using Drones, Fountains, Flame Jets, And of course, lots and lots of Fireworks, you can’t have a Disney show without Fireworks and I’m hoping this could feature more fireworks than any other Disney show in Company History, Cause I’ve got a big feeling Disney is going to go all in with these shows for the 50th. And with the amount of room given in World Showcase, It seems like a perfect idea, Like maybe have 3 or 4 rows of barges for fireworks, maybe keep the Inferno Barge from RoE as well as adding some flame jets on the river, and add WoC style fountains as well as using the drones to disney’s Advantage, If all of this goes well, We are in for a really spectacular show.

And hell why not incorporate these effects into “Heartbeat of Freedom” and the “Peace on Earth” finales


So yeah, For EPCOT, my suggestion is an IGNITE style show only 10x bigger and and having it focus on more fireworks as well as using the new drone technology, combine that with WoC style fountains, flame jets, lasers and maybe some Co2 Jets near the fences like they did with World of Color Celebrate and you’ve got an amazing show.

And to end the show with a big “bang”, I’d suggest maybe doing something a bit like the finales of Heartbeat of Freedom and Peace on Earth, except a bit shorter, and maybe ending it with a display of maybe 500 to 1,000 salutes going off in UNICEF, So kinda like the RoE finale except much louder

Do that and you’ve got a masterpiece

Only problem would be money
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End it with something like 0:33 and you’ve got a crowd pleaser


 

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