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Rumor New nighttime show at Epcot

Marc Davis Fan

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Despite recent rumours, this new show is not currently scheduled to premiere this year.
Whew!

I hope RoE sticks around until summer 2020. Even if the new show is spectacular, and even if it’s IP-free (there’s still hope!), it remains nearly impossible to imagine the show having anywhere close to the level of subtlety, sophistication, depth, meaning, and emotional power of RoE. Indeed, RoE might be considered the last great creation of pre-IP-fest Disney. Its replacement will be of symbolic significance.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
Whew!

I hope RoE sticks around until summer 2020. Even if the new show is spectacular, and even if it’s IP-free (there’s still hope!), it remains nearly impossible to imagine the show having anywhere close to the level of subtlety, sophistication, depth, meaning, and emotional power of RoE. Indeed, RoE might be considered the last great creation of pre-IP-fest Disney. Its replacement will be of symbolic significance.
I’m envisaging the shows changing in early 2020.

As it stands prepare for IP.
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuudgeee. That’s such a yikes.
Yep. Sucks. I'll be complaining once the show debuts. It could be the most amazing and beautiful show ever (just assuming) but I don't want IP there. A real shame. I can be fine with Rat and Mary Poppins in the World Showcase. It just irritates me they truly feel they have to shove IP everywhere. Newsflash, Disney, YOU DON'T.

I actually think IP in the Epcot show will backfire on them.
 

atighe42

Well-Known Member
Yep. Sucks. I'll be complaining once the show debuts. It could be the most amazing and beautiful show ever (just assuming) but I don't want IP there. A real shame. I can be fine with Rat and Mary Poppins in the World Showcase. It just irritates me they truly feel they have to shove IP everywhere. Newsflash, Disney, YOU DON'T.

I actually think IP in the Epcot show will backfire on them.
In a grand presentation that basically sums up what Epcot (and specifically World Showcase to a larger degree) means. it is tonally the wrong direction. I guess I could be called hypocritical after now, somewhat, supporting attractions like Mary Poppins coming to the park. But the nighttime spectacular is something very different to me and in what purpose it serves. I think it could definitely backfire, seeing as the current IllumiNations is widely considered the best show Disney has ever produced. And that is an organic and thematically pitch perfect experience.
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
In a grand presentation that basically sums up what Epcot (and specifically World Showcase to a larger degree) means. it is tonally the wrong direction. I guess I could be called hypocritical after now, somewhat, supporting attractions like Mary Poppins coming to the park. But the nighttime spectacular is something very different to me and in what purpose it serves. I think it could definitely backfire, seeing as the current IllumiNations is widely considered the best show Disney has ever produced. And that is an organic and thematically pitch perfect experience.
Oh I know I'm being a total hypocrite when it comes to IP in Epcot. LOL. I'm fuming about Guardians but I give Rat and Mary a pass. And I'm outraged at IP in the new show. LOL.

I agree that the nighttime spectacular is something very different and the purpose it serves. It's why I kind of defend Rivers of Light even though I know it needs some help.

I really do wonder if they've overestimated the demand for IP here. Don't most guests love Reflections of Earth? Has it suddenly dipped in guest satisfaction (I mean it is time for an update, but not such a drastic one)? Are guests suddenly demanding IP here? It seems unncessary and while I don't mind some IP. It's really annoying they think it has to go everywhere and guests are too stupid to enjoy something not with IP. But then you have the guests complaining about, I imagine, no IP in say Rivers of Light, so I can't say I blame them because they've convinced themselves that's what the guests want.

Sigh.
 

EvilChameleon

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I have to ask, are people upset because IP shouldn't be in a nighttime show at EPCOT, or are they upset because IP should't be in any shows, period?

Because World Of Color is one of the most popular shows across all Disney Parks and it's filled with IP.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
Don't most guests love Reflections of Earth? Has it suddenly dipped in guest satisfaction (I mean it is time for an update, but not such a drastic one).
It’s seen as an average performer - certainly not a must see - and dated. Park attendance through the day vs those exiting at 930pm is telling (thank your magical tracking bands for that one)

Coupled with the two Bobs omnipresent demands for cross promotion IP and it’s a recipe for a new show. Or a failure depending on your point of view.
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
It’s seen as an average performer - certainly not a must see - and dated. Park attendance through the day vs those exiting at 930pm is telling (thank your magical tracking bands for that one)

Coupled with the two Bobs omnipresent demands for cross promotion IP and it’s a recipe for a new show. Or a failure depending on your point of view.
Thank you as always for the insight. Sigh.

Perfect storm for an IP infusion.
 

atighe42

Well-Known Member
I have to ask, are people upset because IP shouldn't be in a nighttime show at EPCOT, or are they upset because IP should't be in any shows, period?

Because World Of Color is one of the most popular shows across all Disney Parks and it's filled with IP.
Definitely upset over IP specifically in Epcot. IP in certain, and most shows, works brilliantly. It just seems all wrong in the middle of World Showcase Lagoon. Give me the smiling faces of people from all around the world. I don’t want to see Elsa representing Norway during a nighttime spectacular. This is their chance to make things coherent and consistent in an otherwise muddled and mixed message park.
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
I have to ask, are people upset because IP shouldn't be in a nighttime show at EPCOT, or are they upset because IP should't be in any shows, period?

Because World Of Color is one of the most popular shows across all Disney Parks and it's filled with IP.
IP in shows at the Magic Kingdom, and Studios parks, is just fine. No one has much of a problem with that.

EPCOT could very well have a new show using IP that does what Reflections of Earth does, but many of us prefer a pure IP free show for a park like Epcot or Animal Kingdom.

One thing for me will be how they implement the IP in the Epcot show if it's a total failure for me or not. IP itself is already a strike against the new show but I'm also willing to see how they handle it. But my first instinct is disappointment for IP in a new Epcot nighttime show. Could they do it tastefully? Sure. Will they? And is it necessary?

But if someone is happy with IP in the new show, that's OK, but I don't think they always need to rely on IP. They're already putting IPs into the World Showcase, one's that I've become OK with, so I don't know that they need to do it with the nighttime show too. I also think they're over-estimating the need for IP in an Epcot show. But we'll see.
 

trainplane3

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It’s seen as an average performer - certainly not a must see - and dated. Park attendance through the day vs those exiting at 930pm is telling (thank your magical tracking bands for that one)

Coupled with the two Bobs omnipresent demands for cross promotion IP and it’s a recipe for a new show. Or a failure depending on your point of view.
I suppose if they have to have IP in there that they'd be smart enough to put Figment in there...right? On the other hand, he doesn't have a movie so they probably don't care.

If anything, I hope the score isn't just "Disney's greatest hits". If the music is great, then I can have something to look forward to.
 

trainplane3

Well-Known Member
That could attempt to placate a cartoon IP backlash.
Yep, that would definitely make me much more accepting of the show if they included Figment (and Dreamfinder) in something that wasn't just more merchandise. It still doesn't make it anymore right in my eyes, no matter how much nostalgia they throw at me.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I have to ask, are people upset because IP shouldn't be in a nighttime show at EPCOT, or are they upset because IP should't be in any shows, period?

Because World Of Color is one of the most popular shows across all Disney Parks and it's filled with IP.
Just EPCOT. When executed properly, IP works perfectly well in Magic Kingdom or even Hollywood Studios.

EPCOT in its original form was not intended to have an IP presence, that is not what the park's purpose was. The people involved in its development and construction deliberately abstained from using IP. The first few years of the park's existence did not include IP in its attractions or shows. And it was extremely successful and popular.

This began to change around when Eisner was brought on, first it was just adding character meet n greets. That at least was easy enough to ignore initially. But it slowly crept into the actual attractions. Over the decades, this IP invasion has infiltrated and eaten away at EPCOT Center.

Now there's hardly anything remaining of its original identity or purpose. What once made the park so unique and wonderful is practically all long gone. It's a rotting corpse they're treating as a dumping ground for IP that don't belong (instead of putting them in parks they actually fit and make sense in).
 
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