Rumor New Monorails Coming Soon?

[monothingie]

This is an awesome pic. Trains 11&12 are Lime and Coral MKIV. And the filler cars were used to expand yellow, silver, black, purple, pink to 6 car trains prior to 1980. $8.6 million dollars too. Fantastic.

 

[GCTales]

I agree, however, there is a certain element of mechanical things that prevents any ability to always be perfect in every way. They are moving parts, governed by usage, sensors and general wear. There is no sign that comes up and says this or that is about to break, they just randomly break. I have been around brand new things that break with more frequency then the old, established machines. In most situations there is no human that can look at a part and say... that looks like it is going to break any minute.

That stuff just happens and the idea that now, as you said, social media will report things 10 seconds after they happened does not in any universe mean that it didn't happen before. So, bottom line, in my mind is that keeping them running is indeed keeping up with things. It doesn't mean throwing money down the drain guessing what is going to break next. I have said before and I will say it again... after all these years it would be impossible to think that every drive train part on those trains hasn't been replaced at some point. So the only part of the trains that are that old would actually be the cabins. There is an old saying... if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That is tried and true. And based on my experience those years ago were experiencing the same problems that currently exist except now unreasonable demands coupled with social media make it sound disastrous. To me it's like saying "they had a flat tire" Why didn't they change it before it went flat? Why? Because before it went flat it didn't need to be changed. Unpredictable things happen every day of our lives.

There is actually a science to preventative maintenance. There is a whole study of QC that focuses on it.

Whenever the company I worked for did work for the government (and, relevant to this, built several rides for Disney), part of the contract was a complete preventative maintenance plan that included MTBF (mean time between failure) and MTTR (mean time to repair) figures for every single part. Proactive preventative maintenance plans were designed so that you replaced a part before the MTBF says it should fail.

You won't catch every single part, very rarely a part will fail before the MTBF says it should, but a properly designed PM plan should catch the vast majority of them (we averaged an uptime of over 99%).

 

[jbolen2]

This is an awesome pic. Train 11&12 are Lime and Coral MKIV. And the filler callers were used to expand yellow, silver, black, purple, pink to 6 car trains prior to 1980. $8.6 million dollars too. Fantastic.

Lime and coral being the newer units is why Vegas bought those for its project I guess.

 

[monothingie]

Lime and coral being the newer units is why Vegas bought those for its project I guess.

Yeah, only spent 8 years at Disney before they were ditched. Simply amazing how things changed.

 

[Goofyernmost]

There is actually a science to preventative maintenance. There is a whole study of QC that focuses on it.

Whenever the company I worked for did work for the government (and, relevant to this, built several rides for Disney), part of the contract was a complete preventative maintenance plan that included MTBF (mean time between failure) and MTTR (mean time to repair) figures for every single part. Proactive preventative maintenance plans were designed so that you replaced a part before the MTBF says it should fail.

You won't catch every single part, very rarely a part will fail before the MTBF says it should, but a properly designed PM plan should catch the vast majority of them (we averaged an uptime of over 99%).

OK, sure... I know about preventive maintenance so I ask you. Are you confident that what has gone wrong was on the list? Are you confident that PM has not been done? Are you confident that the parts that may have broken were not unanticipated things that will on occasion happen. Are you confident that they could have kept them this dependable over the past 30 years without exercising some serious PM? I don't know or remember what it was, but, I remember seeing something a while back they had some pretty high up time. I am indeed skeptical about a 99% up time. That is more like divine intervention.

 

[montyz81]

I was under the impression that the 2 full constants were put in storage containers and are buried in the forbidden dump behind MK along with other various memorabilia that our fine community would like to get their hands on.

 

[ppete1975]

lol. Here are the originals. These of Orange were taken June 22 2017. Orange still looks good but isn't quite as shiny now. And oddly not all the paint jobs have been standing up as well as Orange's as. Gold was photo graphed here September 2017. Imo, gold did not turn out as well as Orange. Today the stripe is fine on both but Orange base of white just gleams better. But in general the fleet does look better. I know some mechanical stuff are being done to them, that's clearly evident when you see them backstage (lime is back there now) in the maintenance bay, parts are missing and removed. But I don't know how much account work is actually being done and how long its intended to last.
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They look beautiful!!

 

[DznyRktekt]

They look beautiful!!

Yes, agreed! Please no more wraps, TDO.

 

[larryz]

This is an awesome pic. Trains 11&12 are Lime and Coral MKIV. And the filler cars were used to expand yellow, silver, black, purple, pink to 6 car trains prior to 1980. $8.6 million dollars too. Fantastic.

I love incentive number 4... if you do a good job, you get to keep it.

I wonder if Igor was on the team that thought this up?

 

[JoeCamel]

Yes, agreed! Please no more wraps, TDO.

You know that's not happening, when is the next movie??

 

[monothingie]

I love incentive number 4... if you do a good job, you get to keep it.

I wonder if Igor was on the team that thought this up?

Keep your job if you do a bad job? This isn’t the government.

 

[Missing20K]

Keep your job if you do a bad job? This isn’t the government.

The reward of a thing well done is having done it.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

[s8film40]

I was under the impression that the entirety of Silver is stored somewhere in a warehouse in Florida somewhere.
Red is famous for its post service travels.

The rest were likely crushed.

Both Red and Silver were stored in a warehouse in Kissimmee up until the time Disney sold Car 1 of Red on eBay. At that time the remainder of Red and all of Silver were removed from the warehouse and scrapped.

Just a side note, does anyone know when the last MKIV was pulled off the beams? The reason why I ask is that 1996 Fourth of July Weekend I am 99.5% confident I saw MKIV silver operating on the Epcot route (different doors were the give away) I've always been curious to know.

I seem to remember hearing that Coral was the last train on the system, but I could be remembering that incorrectly. I have a bunch of photos of Coral's last day and a index sheet that has a note "Coral IV Last Day 4-22-93". There seemed to be a lot of significance to this so maybe I just assumed that was the last one. Now the interesting thing is from my understanding the last of the Mark IV were rarely used due to lack of trained CM's. However when they were used it was on holidays when they needed the extra trains and usually only on Epcot. So your recollection makes a lot of sense. I can't say for certain maybe someone else can. I do have these dates though.

I saved this from someone else’s post in another monorail thread a while back. I would be interested to know if the are still collecting dust too. I think parts of lime and coral are still sitting in the desert but haven’t seen any news on that since they crushed part of one at monster jam a few years back.

Looks like that was one of my posts. I was very fortunate to get to go visit those trains in the warehouse a couple times.

Last I heard of Lime and Coral one of them had been destroyed in the monster truck show and the other had the fiberglass bodies removed so the metal could be scrapped. Someone was selling half of those bodies on eBay and claimed they were going to restore the other half. So other than Car 1 of Red and a cab from Blue that Disney still owns that's it.

 

[JoeCamel]

Interesting, any idea of where the cab from blue might be?

 

[s8film40]

Interesting, any idea of where the cab from blue might be?

I believe it's at Epcot right now. It's used as a display piece for conventions. Used to be at Contemporary for the longest time, they never really used it, then I believe it was moved to Epcot around the time of the Epcot 25th.

 

[monothingie]

Both Red and Silver were stored in a warehouse in Kissimmee up until the time Disney sold Car 1 of Red on eBay. At that time the remainder of Red and all of Silver were removed from the warehouse and scrapped.

I seem to remember hearing that Coral was the last train on the system, but I could be remembering that incorrectly. I have a bunch of photos of Coral's last day and a index sheet that has a note "Coral IV Last Day 4-22-93". There seemed to be a lot of significance to this so maybe I just assumed that was the last one. Now the interesting thing is from my understanding the last of the Mark IV were rarely used due to lack of trained CM's. However when they were used it was on holidays when they needed the extra trains and usually only on Epcot. So your recollection makes a lot of sense. I can't say for certain maybe someone else can. I do have these dates though.
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Looks like that was one of my posts. I was very fortunate to get to go visit those trains in the warehouse a couple times.

Last I heard of Lime and Coral one of them had been destroyed in the monster truck show and the other had the fiberglass bodies removed so the metal could be scrapped. Someone was selling half of those bodies on eBay and claimed they were going to restore the other half. So other than Car 1 of Red and a cab from Blue that Disney still owns that's it.

This sounds about right because MKIV Silver was covered in brown dust. The white was significantly dirtier than MKVI trains.

 

[ParksAndPixels]

I’d love to have one of the old cars for my son’s playroom.... of course by playroom I mean “office” and by “son” I mean me...

 

[jbolen2]

Both Red and Silver were stored in a warehouse in Kissimmee up until the time Disney sold Car 1 of Red on eBay. At that time the remainder of Red and all of Silver were removed from the warehouse and scrapped.

I seem to remember hearing that Coral was the last train on the system, but I could be remembering that incorrectly. I have a bunch of photos of Coral's last day and a index sheet that has a note "Coral IV Last Day 4-22-93". There seemed to be a lot of significance to this so maybe I just assumed that was the last one. Now the interesting thing is from my understanding the last of the Mark IV were rarely used due to lack of trained CM's. However when they were used it was on holidays when they needed the extra trains and usually only on Epcot. So your recollection makes a lot of sense. I can't say for certain maybe someone else can. I do have these dates though.
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Looks like that was one of my posts. I was very fortunate to get to go visit those trains in the warehouse a couple times.

Last I heard of Lime and Coral one of them had been destroyed in the monster truck show and the other had the fiberglass bodies removed so the metal could be scrapped. Someone was selling half of those bodies on eBay and claimed they were going to restore the other half. So other than Car 1 of Red and a cab from Blue that Disney still owns that's it.

Looking at your chart did they run the 4 mk Iv on the beam at the end along with the 12 mk vi ? 16 units on the beams would have been a site to see

 

[s8film40]

Looking at your chart did they run the 4 mk Iv on the beam at the end along with the 12 mk vi ? 16 units on the beams would have been a site to see

Yeah, it was probably nice having those extra trains although parking them all was probably an issue at some points.

 

[monothingie]

Yeah, it was probably nice having those extra trains although parking them all was probably an issue at some points.

Probably one of the coolest monorail pictures around.