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Rumor New Monorails Coming Soon?

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
That's been my thought as well. Although other than the recent automation everything being done currently is short term, even if they announce today that new trains are coming it would still be a few years off.

I was also kind of skeptical of this discussion from the beginning. Now with the recent wave of cuts from the Fox merger though I have to wonder if this was actually happening if it still is happening. We haven't really heard anything since then and to me everything we heard before is outdated and irrelevant now due to huge changes.
Well a freshly painted train sells for more on ebay..
 

lazyboy97o

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I'd rather have the monorails we have now vs the ones in Disneyland without the AC. Not to start a debate about that, but if thats something they're thinking about, I'd rather keep these. They're so old, yet so magical and still (imo) futuristic.
The Disneyland trains have never had air conditioning, are significantly smaller than the Walt Disney World trains and would not fit on the beamway. The Mark VIIs were not entirely new trains but reused the Mark III chassis and Mark V bodies (except the nose).
 

DisneyOutsider

Well-Known Member
Just a thought here, but, it seems to me that if they are putting a huge amount of money into the old trains that they have no intention of buying new ones. Even if they do plan on it... it will be pretty far into the future.
I believe that money would have to be spent on upkeep whether new trains are coming or not. As much as we rag on the monorails, their condition could still take quite a fall from grace if upkeep was throttled significantly.

It certainly doesn't seem they've made any capital improvements lately to the trains, only maintenance cost.
 

nace888

Well-Known Member
How do the Innovia 200 doors work? That is your answer.
The ones on the Vegas innovia 200 are on a top and bottom track that just slide from side to side similar to the grocery store door. It doesn't make a body look flush, but it also doesn't look bad either.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Well a freshly painted train sells for more on ebay..
Sure, they should be able to pick up an additional 10 bucks out of that.;)
I believe that money would have to be spent on upkeep whether new trains are coming or not. As much as we rag on the monorails, their condition could still take quite a fall from grace if upkeep was throttled significantly.

It certainly doesn't seem they've made any capital improvements lately to the trains, only maintenance cost.
You could be right, but, it isn't like Disney (especially in Orlando) to spend a lot of money on complete overhauls which sounds like that to me. To be fair, I don't have a clue what extent the trains are being overhauled. It might just be a coat of paint to look new. I just think with all the money they have been spending on other things, if they can get another 5 or 10 years out of the old fleet, they will do it. Maintenance is cheaper then buying a new fleet at today's prices.
 

eddie104

Well-Known Member
Sure, they should be able to pick up an additional 10 bucks out of that.;)

You could be right, but, it isn't like Disney (especially in Orlando) to spend a lot of money on complete overhauls which sounds like that to me. To be fair, I don't have a clue what extent the trains are being overhauled. It might just be a coat of paint to look new. I just think with all the money they have been spending on other things, if they can get another 5 or 10 years out of the old fleet, they will do it. Maintenance is cheaper then buying a new fleet at today's prices.
You never know what Disney is planning especially if they feel they are a hazard.
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
I believe that money would have to be spent on upkeep whether new trains are coming or not. As much as we rag on the monorails, their condition could still take quite a fall from grace if upkeep was throttled significantly.

It certainly doesn't seem they've made any capital improvements lately to the trains, only maintenance cost.
Ummmm, operating with the doors open and pieces falling off into guest areas??
 

nace888

Well-Known Member
Ummmm, operating with the doors open and pieces falling off into guest areas??
The "pieces falling off" was actually not a fall off, but a force of pressure. The bus bar was warped (from what I'd heard) and the transition was not smooth for the carbon shoes to pass over, it grabbed, and popped off. I believe I mentioned it being set up as a safety feature, and want to say that was confirmed.

As for the door, clearly the driver didn't know... They should have.

But I'm not making or validating excuses on the door issue.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
The "pieces falling off" was actually not a fall off, but a force of pressure. The bus bar was warped (from what I'd heard) and the transition was not smooth for the carbon shoes to pass over, it grabbed, and popped off. I believe I mentioned it being set up as a safety feature, and want to say that was confirmed.

As for the door, clearly the driver didn't know... They should have.

But I'm not making or validating excuses on the door issue.
One doesn't need to make excuses for mechanical breakdowns. They just happen and they happen on a regular basis to just about everyone. Our personal cars break down, is that because of a lack of maintenance? Sometimes it is, but, mostly it just happens, parts wear out, sensors stop working and when you consider the numbers of miles on those things with only two reported one time non-eventful incidents the mere fact that we even bring it up is showing a lacking of maturity on our part because that is nothing short of a miracle. It will be easy to tell when something important happens because there will be very large headlines in every paper in the country.
 

Robbiem

Well-Known Member
I’ve worked on level access rail projects before and it can be quite tricky. There are two big things to consider the horizontal gap and the vertical step. Most trains sit higher above the platform and cover the gap so passengers step down to platform. On the London tube where this happens they have raised up the areas of the platform with a hump where there are wheelchair spaces which is slightly cut back from the end of the platform. This gives the step down for able bodied people and a smaller gap for people in wheelchairs. On one set of lines they tried lowering the train floor so it was level to most platforms, in order to do this the bottom of the train had to curve away from the platform to prevent it hitting it. This was fine in theory but where the platfrom had any sort of curve you end up with a big gap which created a lot of accidents as people didnt realise the bottom of the train wasnt in the same place as the eye level door.

The best network I’ve seen for access is Japan. Almost all the railways have level boarding and at some stations they even have escalators which can convert to carry a wheelchair
 

nace888

Well-Known Member
I’ve worked on level access rail projects before and it can be quite tricky. There are two big things to consider the horizontal gap and the vertical step. Most trains sit higher above the platform and cover the gap so passengers step down to platform. On the London tube where this happens they have raised up the areas of the platform with a hump where there are wheelchair spaces which is slightly cut back from the end of the platform. This gives the step down for able bodied people and a smaller gap for people in wheelchairs. On one set of lines they tried lowering the train floor so it was level to most platforms, in order to do this the bottom of the train had to curve away from the platform to prevent it hitting it. This was fine in theory but where the platfrom had any sort of curve you end up with a big gap which created a lot of accidents as people didnt realise the bottom of the train wasnt in the same place as the eye level door.

The best network I’ve seen for access is Japan. Almost all the railways have level boarding and at some stations they even have escalators which can convert to carry a wheelchair
Hey, I at least suggested a ramp that the train can carry in those cars. wouldn't have to be too heavy depending on material, and if created to the door right, can simply fall when the door opens, and get pushed back in when the door closes. That was my thought. I think like you say though, the curve is a big defining factor, whether it's a curved station or a curved train... I still think sliding doors can fix our flush platform issue.

All in all, the Innovia set is nice, but... there's gonna have to be a lot of tweaking for the new fleet if it were to be. Last rumor I heard was that the exterior of the Mark VIII was planned to look very similar to the Mark VI. The interior would look very different, but again, it's all hearsay. I have a hunch they'll attempt to go for the flush doors again, but if they do, the Innovia 200 would be an interesting one to do it on, since it was designed with exterior tracked doors.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Yeah they did a good job with blending the sliding doors on the Vegas trains. I think the Mark VII's pop out and slide, maybe that's just the cab though?

For anyone who hasn't seen the Vegas system it's worth looking at. It's clean, efficient and very well designed. Puts the WDW system to shame sadly.


The platform is higher than the beam. If you're ever in a station and you look across to the other edge of the platform you can usually see the extra ~6 inches they added for the Mark VI trains. Also that's the reason for the small ramp when approaching the load area at the Contemporary.
Looks a lot like Vancouver's Skytrain metro system.
 

NormC

Premium Member
The ones on the Vegas innovia 200 are on a top and bottom track that just slide from side to side similar to the grocery store door. It doesn't make a body look flush, but it also doesn't look bad either.
Exactly. The Innovia 200 series would be the basis for new trains in WDW.
 

Jonathan Wang

Disney/Monorail Nut
welp just went through 20+ pages to catch up on this thread, I can only hope that disney did what they did back when they built WDW and used a different company to place an order that we just dont know about, likely chance is probably none tho.

Hopefully all the money they are putting into the current line is just to keep them going for 3-5 years max and then have some new ones ready by then. With that being said, the Innovia 200 looks pretty good in my opinion and it would be awesome if they could incorporate the entryway doors like they did in vegas instead of the current gates so it would give more room for standby loading.
 
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