Rumor New Monorails Coming Soon?

imarc

imarc

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ppete1975 said:
All of this media attention lately towards parts falling off, breakdowns, doors is starting to make them sound like the are falling apart and customers are dissatisfied and angry.
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Are you talking about real media attention or twitter clickbait media attention?
 
Bender123

Bender123

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ppete1975 said:
This is starting to scare me.. and not for the reasons you may think.

Remember 20,000 leagues... what was the reason for its demise.

All of this media attention lately towards parts falling off, breakdowns, doors is starting to make them sound like the are falling apart and customers are dissatisfied and angry. Its aging tech and falling apart. I'm not saying this is disneys doing (no conspiracy although you could write that narrative), but instead of replacing could they get rid of the monorails now due to expense, upkeep, safety, and them falling apart. In other words use the negative press as a ways to kill them off. Basically the trains are no longer viable and the beams "were at the end of their lifespan and would be too costly to replace"<- basically pr like they have done in the past to state something not true but impossible to prove them wrong.. something like "our engineers found cracks that would only be fixed by replacing all of the beams, due to safety and the age of the monorails... blah blah lies"

IF you look at my previous posts I was one saying no way they would remove, its in the advertising, the hotel loops, iconic. BUT does this negative press give Disney and its penny pinching a chance to decide to just get rid of them instead of what I think a year ago was to replace.

On that note if they are going to replace.. have they waited too long, I assume its going to take at least 2 years for new ones.
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20,000 died because it was extremely slow loading, had no ability to retrofit for handicap access, took up massive amounts of space and was (honestly) pretty expensive to operate for as lame as it was.

20K was a nostalgic treat, and I miss it, but I also realize it was just not a ride that would impress anybody now without the nostalgia factor built in. They looked cool, but its a ride that I am happy is gone. The worst part of the whole process was that the lagoon sat empty for years with no replacement.
 
s8film40

s8film40

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Bender123 said:
20,000 died because it was extremely slow loading, had no ability to retrofit for handicap access, took up massive amounts of space and was (honestly) pretty expensive to operate for as lame as it was.

20K was a nostalgic treat, and I miss it, but I also realize it was just not a ride that would impress anybody now without the nostalgia factor built in. They looked cool, but its a ride that I am happy is gone. The worst part of the whole process was that the lagoon sat empty for years with no replacement.
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Umm, the same basic ride exists still at Disneyland with all of the same shortcomings you mentioned. It's still very popular, so none of those excuses work. That being said maybe it was better to let it die due to poor management decisions rather than it become Finding Nemo the ride.
 
monothingie

monothingie

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ppete1975 said:
All of this media attention lately towards parts falling off, breakdowns, doors is starting to make them sound like the are falling apart and customers are dissatisfied and angry. Its aging tech and falling apart. I'm not saying this is disneys doing (no conspiracy although you could write that narrative), but instead of replacing could they get rid of the monorails now due to expense, upkeep, safety, and them falling apart. In other words use the negative press as a ways to kill them off. Basically the trains are no longer viable and the beams "were at the end of their lifespan and would be too costly to replace"<- basically pr like they have done in the past to state something not true but impossible to prove them wrong.. something like "our engineers found cracks that would only be fixed by replacing all of the beams, due to safety and the age of the monorails... blah blah lies"
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imarc said:
Are you talking about real media attention or twitter clickbait media attention?
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Remember when Disney took the film out of your camera? It was so much easier back then.
 
ppete1975

ppete1975

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s8film40 said:
Umm, the same basic ride exists still at Disneyland with all of the same shortcomings you mentioned. It's still very popular, so none of those excuses work. That being said maybe it was better to let it die due to poor management decisions rather than it become Finding Nemo the ride.
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right but the excuses they used to close it was how expensive it was to maintain.. trust me I miss it and I hope I'm wrong and they surprise me
 
ppete1975

ppete1975

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imarc said:
Are you talking about real media attention or twitter clickbait media attention?
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its on the internet, that includes twitter, peoples personal facebooks, message boards.. including this one. And not living in florida I can only assume its been on the news at least once for it.
 
CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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ppete1975 said:
This is starting to scare me.. and not for the reasons you may think.

Remember 20,000 leagues... what was the reason for its demise.

All of this media attention lately towards parts falling off, breakdowns, doors is starting to make them sound like the are falling apart and customers are dissatisfied and angry. Its aging tech and falling apart. I'm not saying this is disneys doing (no conspiracy although you could write that narrative), but instead of replacing could they get rid of the monorails now due to expense, upkeep, safety, and them falling apart. In other words use the negative press as a ways to kill them off. Basically the trains are no longer viable and the beams "were at the end of their lifespan and would be too costly to replace"<- basically pr like they have done in the past to state something not true but impossible to prove them wrong.. something like "our engineers found cracks that would only be fixed by replacing all of the beams, due to safety and the age of the monorails... blah blah lies"

IF you look at my previous posts I was one saying no way they would remove, its in the advertising, the hotel loops, iconic. BUT does this negative press give Disney and its penny pinching a chance to decide to just get rid of them instead of what I think a year ago was to replace.

On that note if they are going to replace.. have they waited too long, I assume its going to take at least 2 years for new ones.
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Maybe, but they're building the Skyliner. It's not proof of anything, but it's at least evidence in the direction that they're not afraid to invest in infrastructure.
 
s8film40

s8film40

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ppete1975 said:
right but the excuses they used to close it was how expensive it was to maintain.. trust me I miss it and I hope I'm wrong and they surprise me
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Yeah my point was that's not a valid excuse. Every attraction at WDW is expensive to maintain, that's why you pay big money to go to the parks. Obviously as is the case with Disneyland they were able to pay to maintain it. WDW management was just being cheap and shorting their customers in the process.
 
Bender123

Bender123

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s8film40 said:
Umm, the same basic ride exists still at Disneyland with all of the same shortcomings you mentioned. It's still very popular, so none of those excuses work. That being said maybe it was better to let it die due to poor management decisions rather than it become Finding Nemo the ride.
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That doesn't really make sense, as an argument...both sat empty for over a decade and the replacement at WDW was vastly more expensive than the refurb done at DL. 7DMT, Be Our Guest and Voyage of the Little Mermaid were new attractions/areas built on the land that occupied the old ride. Given that Ive been on both the old rides and the new version/replacements, WDW got the better outcome.
DL decided to spend a bunch of money on refurbing an old ride and WDW used the money to build some new ones. Either way they spent a ton of money, they just got a vastly different outcome. DL still is slow loading, laughably outdated and not accessible, while using a cast members very inefficiently based on the guest throughput.
 
montyz81

montyz81

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Somebody catch me up. (Someone needs to develop a forum aggregator for people like me). Was the windows falling out a real or not real incident? I see some that say it was because Lime broke down and they had to let air in. I see others that just say the windows fell out. What is the real story?
 
Bender123

Bender123

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montyz81 said:
Somebody catch me up. (Someone needs to develop a forum aggregator for people like me). Was the windows falling out a real or not real incident? I see some that say it was because Lime broke down and they had to let air in. I see others that just say the windows fell out. What is the real story?
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They passengers were instructed to remove the widows for ventilation, due to a lack of AC and power.
 
Monorail_Red_77

Monorail_Red_77

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Bender123 said:
20,000 died because it was extremely slow loading, had no ability to retrofit for handicap access, took up massive amounts of space and was (honestly) pretty expensive to operate for as lame as it was.

20K was a nostalgic treat, and I miss it, but I also realize it was just not a ride that would impress anybody now without the nostalgia factor built in. They looked cool, but its a ride that I am happy is gone. The worst part of the whole process was that the lagoon sat empty for years with no replacement.
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Some might argue that the lagoon is still empty, or at the least...... underwhelming. LOL LOL
 
s8film40

s8film40

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Bender123 said:
That doesn't really make sense, as an argument...both sat empty for over a decade and the replacement at WDW was vastly more expensive than the refurb done at DL. 7DMT, Be Our Guest and Voyage of the Little Mermaid were new attractions/areas built on the land that occupied the old ride. Given that Ive been on both the old rides and the new version/replacements, WDW got the better outcome.
DL decided to spend a bunch of money on refurbing an old ride and WDW used the money to build some new ones. Either way they spent a ton of money, they just got a vastly different outcome. DL still is slow loading, laughably outdated and not accessible, while using a cast members very inefficiently based on the guest throughput.
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The point is it wasn't impossible to keep it going and maintained, they just didn't want to spend money. Neither should have sat for long periods of time unused. The sad truth is Disney just didn't care enough about their guests experience to bother with it.
 

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