New MARVEL attractions to Disney Parks

[flavious27]

Yes, Universal has an exclusivity agreement with Marvel/Disney. It has no end date and covers pretty much all the major Marvel characters.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1262449/000119312510008732/dex1057.htm

I wonder about this provision:

"Either party may terminate this agreement upon a material breach of the other party, subject to written notice and a reasonable opportunity to cure."

What would happen if disney just didn't care and started to violate provisions of the agreement to force the issue?

 

[danlb_2000]

I wonder about this provision:

"Either party may terminate this agreement upon a material breach of the other party, subject to written notice and a reasonable opportunity to cure."

What would happen if disney just didn't care and started to violate provisions of the agreement to force the issue?

Per section VI.J it would go to arbitration.

 

[FrankLapidus]

I wonder about this provision:

"Either party may terminate this agreement upon a material breach of the other party, subject to written notice and a reasonable opportunity to cure."

What would happen if disney just didn't care and started to violate provisions of the agreement to force the issue?

If Disney started consciously and intentionally breaching the contract then, presumably, Universal/Comcast could sue. The contract seems to suit Uni so I can't see any way that Disney could back them into a corner and use dirty tactics to convince Uni to end the agreement.

 

[ChrisFL]

....'cause its the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends...
...some people on the message board couldn't be arsed to understand contracts long ago and they'll keep posting here....
....'cause its the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends...
...some people on the message board couldn't be arsed to understand contracts long ago and they'll keep posting here....
....'cause its the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends...
...some people on the message board couldn't be arsed to understand contracts long ago and they'll keep posting here....
....'cause its the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends...
...some people on the message board couldn't be arsed to understand contracts long ago and they'll keep posting here....
....'cause its the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends...

 

[WV_Jayola]

The reason this thread keeps showing such signs of life is that there are lots of Disney Geeks like me, who also happen to love the Marvel Universe. I know that a lot of you don't like Marvel, don't want Marvel in the parks, and whatever else. I totally get that, and respect that.

However, the mere thought of two of the most influential things in my whole life coming together like that gives ME signs of hope, and that's why we are interested in the sheer possibility of it. I understand that because of the contracts, it is going to be a very difficult thing to happen. However, I honestly DO feel that at some point in the future, somehow, someway WDW WILL contain some Marvel elements within it. I don't know how much of that is just my blind hope shining through.

But funny thing about hope...if it's bright enough, all the facts in the world can't squash it.

Like the hope of turning a huge chunk of swamp land into the vacation kingdom of the world for families the world over. ;-)

jeff.

 

[lazyboy97o]

As to the timing, I didn't ignore it, it's irrelevant.

The sale of Marvel was not unexpected. If Disney hadn't bought it, it would have been someone else. Universal has been prepared for it for quite some time, it seems. If you notice, Superhero Island is built rather generically compared to the rest of the park. It fits in thematically because comic books are a flat medium, so the sparse, flat signage works - but there is little permanence there. The theming on the two other attractions is in signage only (although it would fit better at USH, even Hulk's color could be reused for a "Nick Slime" coaster, for but one example). They have a ride that could replace Spiderman (Transformers). And that's Marvel Island.

My guess is they have always known that it wasn't a permanent fixture, and have always had an "escape plan", which we are now seeing.

The sale is relevant because the only other company big into the theme park business is the former half-owner of Universal Orlando Resort, The Blackstone Group, whichs owns Merlin Entertainment and now Sea World Parks and Resorts. Six Flags was not a contender. Paramount, who was making the latest bunch of films just sold their parks. Nobody but The Walt Disney Company has a competing interest in theme parks.

The contract is clearly one for permanence, this no renewal, renegotiation or expiration. History seems to offer a much better reasoning for the land's impermanent look. The contract was signed in 1994. Marvel declared bankruptcy at the end of 1996. Islands of Adventure opened in 1999, just over a year before X-Men hit theaters. The more logical reasoning is because the fate of Marvel during the land's design was very much in doubt. Universal would have had to ditch the land not because Marvel was bought out by a theme park competitor following the brand's resurgence, but because the brand had collapsed and was no longer appealing to the public.

 

[flavious27]

Per section VI.J it would go to arbitration.

Well if disney wants to end the contract and uni doesn't, that could be an outcome from arbitration.

If Disney started consciously and intentionally breaching the contract then, presumably, Universal/Comcast could sue. The contract seems to suit Uni so I can't see any way that Disney could back them into a corner and use dirty tactics to convince Uni to end the agreement.

Well they could always offer up the exclusive rights for tv, telephone and network connection in exchange.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I cannot see any good arbiter siding with Disney if Disney were to begin flagrantly ignoring the contract just to get Universal into arbitration with the hope that it would result in Universal giving up the rights. That is a very big gamble that would more than likely cost Disney the cost of doing and undoing theirs breaches plus a sum paid to Universal for the violations, bad press and likely the contract remaining.

 

[jensenrick]

Earlier yesterday Bob Iger announced in a conference...that, yes, an Avengers attraction will come to Disney theme parks!

So aaaanyway - does anyone have any thoughts or rumors on what might *actually* happen regarding this announcement? Obviously it's not coming to WDW, so . . . Paris? Tokyo? Not CA, right?
I wondering partly because I'm seriously considering going to Tokyo for my 50th, which would be 4 years off. That *should* be enough time for Imagineering to create a decent Avengers attraction . . .

(then again) :goodnevil

 

[Flip83]

It must make you guys feel really good to tear somebody down for trying to share news with you that some already knew, huh? . Guess what? Not everybody did, and I appreciate the post.

So much ridiculous negativity on here the past few years. No wonder I've been a member for eleven years and hardly post anymore.

Well Said

 

[ChrisFL]

So aaaanyway - does anyone have any thoughts or rumors on what might *actually* happen regarding this announcement? Obviously it's not coming to WDW, so . . . Paris? Tokyo? Not CA, right?
I wondering partly because I'm seriously considering going to Tokyo for my 50th, which would be 4 years off. That *should* be enough time for Imagineering to create a decent Avengers attraction . . .

(then again) :goodnevil

That's only if OLC who owns the Tokyo parks would actually WANT a Marvel property. I don't really think anything would fit there thematically.

I'm guessing probably Shanghai and Paris would get them first. Paris has a studios park that would probably be able to fit a Marvel attraction.

 

[flavious27]

I cannot see any good arbiter siding with Disney if Disney were to begin flagrantly ignoring the contract just to get Universal into arbitration with the hope that it would result in Universal giving up the rights. That is a very big gamble that would more than likely cost Disney the cost of doing and undoing theirs breaches plus a sum paid to Universal for the violations, bad press and likely the contract remaining.

If Disney keeps putting in offers to end it and uni rejects them just to keep the ip in ioa, it wouldn't look bad that disney is trying to use their ip. At the same time, I don't see uni holding onto the ability to pay for that IP for all it can.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If Disney keeps putting in offers to end it and uni rejects them just to keep the ip in ioa, it wouldn't look bad that disney is trying to use their ip. At the same time, I don't see uni holding onto the ability to pay for that IP for all it can.

What Universal pays is set. That cannot change because Disney wants it to nor would it be a likely outcome of arbitration. Disney playing dirty, even if it's over their newly purchased intellectual property, is still Disney playing dirty.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

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This thread is still going on strong, just like I predicted.




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[WDW1974]

That's only if OLC who owns the Tokyo parks would actually WANT a Marvel property. I don't really think anything would fit there thematically.

I'm guessing probably Shanghai and Paris would get them first. Paris has a studios park that would probably be able to fit a Marvel attraction.

OLC wants no part of Marvel and has told Disney that.

Shanghai originally was going to get a Marvel attraction and, sadly, sources have told me that new/different Marvel plans have been fast-tracked. Phil Gasbag in Paris has stated publically that if Disney ever builds a third gate there that it will be (at least in his opinion as the current leader who may well not be there next year at this time) Marvel based (and likely using concepts for Marvel Dubailand after WDI slightly alters them, naturally!)

 

[WDW1974]

What Universal pays is set. That cannot change because Disney wants it to nor would it be a likely outcome of arbitration. Disney playing dirty, even if it's over their newly purchased intellectual property, is still Disney playing dirty.

Disney always plays dirty with its IP ... unless a Mongello or a Lange are involved or people of their ilk.

But UNI would as well on this ... they have one of the most popular BRANDS in the theme park UNIverse right now and they have no intention of giving it up for anything short of ESPN, DCA and Willow Bay! :drevil:

I so wish that some fanbois would stop thinking like fanbois and start thinking like people with an ounce of common sense and some media savvy.

Even Iger understand that UNI has ALL power in this situation and they don't give a damn that the royalties go to Disney. The entertainment industry is incestuous to start and ... I've written this all before. Not on vacation. Nope.:wave:

 

[ChrisFL]

OLC wants no part of Marvel and has told Disney that.

Shanghai originally was going to get a Marvel attraction and, sadly, sources have told me that new/different Marvel plans have been fast-tracked. Phil Gasbag in Paris has stated publically that if Disney ever builds a third gate there that it will be (at least in his opinion as the current leader who may well not be there next year at this time) Marvel based (and likely using concepts for Marvel Dubailand after WDI slightly alters them, naturally!)

I hate being right all the time, haha! :zipit:

 

[RSoxNo1]

Disney always plays dirty with its IP ... unless a Mongello or a Lange are involved or people of their ilk.

But UNI would as well on this ... they have one of the most popular BRANDS in the theme park UNIverse right now and they have no intention of giving it up for anything short of ESPN, DCA and Willow Bay! :drevil:

I so wish that some fanbois would stop thinking like fanbois and start thinking like people with an ounce of common sense and some media savvy.

Even Iger understand that UNI has ALL power in this situation and they don't give a damn that the royalties go to Disney. The entertainment industry is incestuous to start and ... I've written this all before. Not on vacation. Nope.:wave:

It does actually sound like the negotiations have been one of trading one property for another as opposed to buying them out. Another one that Jim Hill mentioned a while ago was the Broadway show Wicked as being a property that Universal has expressed interest in.

 

[GLaDOS]

It does actually sound like the negotiations have been one of trading one property for another as opposed to buying them out. Another one that Jim Hill mentioned a while ago was the Broadway show Wicked as being a property that Universal has expressed interest in.

Wicked is a Universal Production. They already have the rights to it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Wicked is a Universal Production. They already have the rights to it.

Universal is doing a film based on the musical, but if I recall ABC is/was working on a television mini series based more on the book(s).

Universal Studios Japan also had an Oz land that featured a short version of the musical. How the global theme park rights works could be interesting. Was that deal only good for Japan and now completely done? Is it possible for the theme park rights to the musical and its derivative film to be sold to Universal while Disney could still acquire the theme park rights to the books?

Since the original books are not in the public domain, it is very much possible for Disney and Universal to both do Oz, even in Florida. Universal's based not only on the books, but also Wicked. Disney's on Oz: The Great and Powerful, maybe even with a sprinkling of Return to Oz and even elements from the Wicked books (and mini series) if that is possible.