News New Haunted Mansion Grounds Expansion, Retail Shop Coming to Disneyland Resort in 2024

[Professortango1]

I would disagree but respect their opinion, just as I do with you or anyone else here. I would also engage them in conversation, again the same as I do with you or anyone else here, and discuss their reasons and provide my own as a counter.


That may be, but if Disney is basing things on customer engagement, ie the money they spend coming and while in the Park, then the message they get from you is "I like everything you have to offer and will continue to spend money not matter what you do" even if that isn't how you really feel.


Both really. It leads to posters not wanting to engage and end up just leaving because they don't feel their opinion is accepted or respected. All you have to do is look at the MC forums to see what happens when too many get pushed away by such opinions, its practically a ghost town over there. I rather not see these forums end up like that even though its not as active here as it once was, this is why I continue engagement.

I'll respectfully say that I'd rather read critical dissections of attractions and details than "it's fine and the general public thinks it's good enough, so our opinions don't matter." There's a reason I watch Poseidon Entertainment and other YouTubers while avoiding the bland and saccharine channels that try and spin any addition into the second coming.

And MC dried up due to over zealous moderators banning people without warning and leaving behind solely those who shared similar views to criticism.as yourself. A Pollyanna approach to life might be incredibly healthy in the real world, but does make forums discussing art quite lifeless.

As an artist, my least favourite comment after a show is "you were great, I really liked it." I appreciate it, but it doesn't foster further conversation nor any connection.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I think the biggest issue here is when I look at that gift shop, I don't think "Haunted Mansion". Like if I just saw the building I wouldn't think hey, that belongs in Disneyland!

And why wasn't it a crypt theme? They could have extended the exit even more and made it like a tomb. Would have been delightfully spooky and made more sense than building a glorified storage shed.

 

[mickEblu]

I think the biggest issue here is when I look at that gift shop, I don't think "Haunted Mansion". Like if I just saw the building I wouldn't think hey, that belongs in Disneyland!

And why wasn't it a crypt theme? They could have extended the exit even more and made it like a tomb. Would have been delightfully spooky and made more sense than building a glorified storage shed.

We might be describing the same issue in different ways here but I think the biggest issue for me is that the design looks modern and suburban. Present day is the last thing I think about when I think Disneyland. If it’s not past, future or fantasy it doesn’t really work. It looks like those soulless McMansions going up all over So Cal with a few extra features to try and make it look like a carriage house.

 

[Disney Irish]

Youll have a hard time finding someone around here that backs up their opinion with more detail than me so it’s interesting when most of the positive comments can be summed up as “it’s fine” or “It’s good” especially when they come from people that consistently defend Disney. So, I lose interest in actually engaging when I’ve already come to one of 4 possible conclusions. Sometimes there is room for debate. With some things there isnt. A few of Disneys latest projects are debate proof.

Sorry but I disagree that they are debate proof, as you and I have had plenty of debate surrounding said projects going on for hundreds of pages.

Also just an FYI, someone might get tired of constantly trying to debate with you when your go to is basically finding fault in their argument with this type of opinion. Its why they may come back with just "it's fine" or "it's good", its just easier to post that than to get these type of responses from you. Sometimes someone doesn't want to defend their position. They just want to come here read about a project, post their opinion, and be done with it.

Well the question “what’s the point of having a specific opinion” doesn’t really make sense but as far as stating it I’m not sure. Maybe as someone who craves authenticity I need to throw it out there from time to time. What does respecting an opinion mean? That I can’t have an opinion of one’s opinion?

You can have an opinion on someone's opinion, we all do it we just don't all post it, but if its just to say "hey you don't know what you're talking about you have no taste and low standards", well that doesn't spark debate. That shuts people down to the point they don't want to interact. We should be tolerate of all opinions whether we agree with them or not.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'll respectfully say that I'd rather read critical dissections of attractions and details than "it's fine and the general public thinks it's good enough, so our opinions don't matter." There's a reason I watch Poseidon Entertainment and other YouTubers while avoiding the bland and saccharine channels that try and spin any addition into the second coming.

And MC dried up due to over zealous moderators banning people without warning and leaving behind solely those who shared similar views to criticism.as yourself. A Pollyanna approach to life might be incredibly healthy in the real world, but does make forums discussing art quite lifeless.

As an artist, my least favourite comment after a show is "you were great, I really liked it." I appreciate it, but it doesn't foster further conversation nor any connection.

I think there is room for all opinions, from "its fine, its good" to critical ones such as yours or even Mick's, provided its respectful and follows the forum rules.

MC was already drying up long before mods started banning people. And trust me if it was all just pollyanna and good times I would have never left. I left because posters were trying to shutdown any positive opinion that came up and it became nasty. And I can see the same thing happening here and I rather try to prevent that as best I can by continuing to foster these type of conversations.

 

[wityblack]

I take back everything. This looks plain. I still posit if it looked like the concept art it wouldn't be bad.

 

[britain]

I understand the general response of “meh” but please remember this is supposed to match the DisneyLAND ethos of a clean, trim, NOT spooky Mansion exterior. Additionally a carriage house should not be fancier than its mansion. AND there will be spooky merch spilling out out of it.

 

[truecoat]

If someone came on this thread today and wrote “McDonalds is fine dining” what conclusion could one come to other than that person is shilling, trolling, has low standards or is inexperienced?

My wife asked me, "Where should we eat for lunch?".

I said, "McDonalds."

She said, "Fine."

So in a way, it is "Fine" dining.

 

[Professortango1]

I think there is room for all opinions, from "its fine, its good" to critical ones such as yours or even Mick's, provided its respectful and follows the forum rules.

MC was already drying up long before mods started banning people. And trust me if it was all just pollyanna and good times I would have never left. I left because posters were trying to shutdown any positive opinion that came up and it became nasty. And I can see the same thing happening here and I rather try to prevent that as best I can by continuing to foster these type of conversations.

Two different realities. I suppose both could be correct. I was with MiceChat from the early 2000's and watched its heyday and downfall and I saw the tone shift from constructive criticism to stans shutting down any criticism and reporting users who were critical or had differing opinions. Add to that the ego of DS and it became a sad shadow of what it once was. In 2016 I was banned for speaking out against DS and joined here. I still have a secondary account there, but the place is dead.

 

[Professortango1]

I understand the general response of “meh” but please remember this is supposed to match the DisneyLAND ethos of a clean, trim, NOT spooky Mansion exterior. Additionally a carriage house should not be fancier than its mansion. AND there will be spooky merch spilling out out of it.

I don't think it needs to be dilapidated, but it should have character and look lived in. I trust that they aren't fully done yet (I hope) and we'll see some detail work that takes it from California Condo to a unique building that inspires wonder and curiosity.

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[Disney Irish]

That looks really good. I'm liking all the details I see so far. Can't wait to see it in person.

 

[duncedoof]

Look at what once was...

Upon closer look, I hate to break it to you but even the old ones weren't 4ft wide -

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So any new ones I expect to be the same width across, and honestly looking at this picture from 2017 the old ones weren't that tall so won't take any time for the new ones to grow up that tall as well.

We lost those beauties for a DIY Home Depot shed?

 

[mickEblu]

Fountain and that whole area with stone tiles looks very nice! Overall it looks like they did a good job. Of course I’m sad that the canopy of mature trees is gone but this is no surprise. Seems wide open in comparison now but I’d like to see a wide shot or see it in person. Bummer that they took away the seating (by adding a railing) on the planter outside Tiana’s Place/ French Market facing Mansion. That was a favorite spot of mine to sit n snack for years. I think that was the last tush friendly planter in New Orleans Square. Not many left in the park- if any.

Also @Disney Analyst good call on the Tiana’s Place stage!

 

[Disney Analyst]

Fountain and that whole area with stone tiles looks very nice! Overall it looks like they did a good job. Of course I’m sad that the canopy of mature trees is gone but this is no surprise. Seems wide open in comparison now but I’d like to see a wide shot or see it in person. Bummer that they took away the seating (by adding a railing) on the planter outside Tiana’s Place/ French Market facing Mansion. That was a favorite of of mine to sit n snack to years. I think that was the last tush friendly planter in New Orleans Square. Not many left in the park- if any.

Also @Disney Analyst good call on the Tiana’s Place stage!

Thank you! It seems to all line up how I pictured. I think it looks really nice, and can peak into the new queue!

Some more shots:

 

[mickEblu]

Thank you! It seems to all line up how I pictured. I think it looks really nice, and can peak into the new queue!

Some more shots:

Loving the stone tiles and they appear to expand across the entire plaza? Overall area feels classy, appropriate for New Orleans Square and it feels like Disneyland. This could have been a disaster and it’s not. They actually plussed it in some ways. And (we’ve known this for a while) but the huge glorious planter between Tiana Place and the NOS RR station/ tracks survived unscathed.

 

[waltography]

Looks great! The strangling vines around the lampposts are gorgeous, and the extended queue so far looks beautiful. I'm still not sure how much extra "line" we get from this project but I guess we'll see soon enough.

Love that new carriage kiosk. I wonder what the banners will look like inside those windows when its not the holiday overlay.

 

[Professortango1]

I wonder if the face formed by the fountain is intentional.

 

[waltography]

Unrelated: the pareidolia is strong with the fish fountain.

EDIT: @Professortango1 beat me to it!

 

[lazyboy97o]

I understand the general response of “meh” but please remember this is supposed to match the DisneyLAND ethos of a clean, trim, NOT spooky Mansion exterior. Additionally a carriage house should not be fancier than its mansion. AND there will be spooky merch spilling out out of it.

The issue isn’t the lack of wear or ornament. It’s things like basic form, proportion and a consistent pattern language. It looks contemporary.

Why is the door recessed into a large niche? The intent seems to be that it was the old barn doors, but nothing about the finish tell the story of change. The infill has the exact same siding as the rest of the building. Then it’s topped off with an extra-wide double door that is itself sort of mimicking barn doors. So the story is that the big barn down were carefully replaced with smaller barn doors?

The roof has a nice thick fascia but an old carriage house probably wouldn’t. That’s the result of insulation (we see the structure) a very contemporary need for conditioned spaces. Faking that while still meeting energy performance requirements is part of the art of themed experiences.

Why are there bay windows? Like the niche they read as original. Horses get windows that could be infilled with glazing. But they’re also something that was typically done to help add some roof in tight places, like those shower rods that curve out. They’re a bit of a pricy thing to do on a farm where space isn’t at a premium.

The steep gable is too narrow to actually be a usable space. That’s further betrayed by the window which gives it scale. It doesn’t make sense as a hay loft, just as a contemporary rustic-chic form.

The story of adaptive reuse isn’t there. It’s some vaguely rustic and crafty motifs put onto something clearly designed for a different purpose.