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[marni1971]

The issue of A/C, or lack thereof, has been discussed multiple times. They are not going to have it...period. Every possible worst case scenario about how hot it will be has been discussed. Repeatedly posting about how horrible it might be is not going to change anything.

We will just have to wait until it is up and running to see if heat is a problem, or if the design allows adequate "breeze" to make the ride uneventful.

Once again, any further A/C posts will be deleted - it has already been discussed and dissected from every possible angle.

But it came as such a shock...

 

[Bender123]

I'm pretty sure I addressed all those items (flex, uniform operating costs, etc) in prior posts.. and you still didn't say what you are tracking for efficiency.. so you will continue to go in circles with people that are baited into replying. Listen, I'm not poo'ing the gondolas at all.. but if you want to stop talking past each other in posts and arguing - make them more clear so you and your counter part will actually be talking the same thing.

Busses and Gondolas are widely used systems...Its really not that hard to draw conclusions on either, based on insanely available public reports on system efficiency and costs. Just because the US doesn't have a major gondola transit system, doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of them all over the world. These are proven technologies.

Combining proven technologies, proven and well documented information and science that is a century old, its really quite easy to draw my conclusions.

If TDO didn't have researchers and analysts figuring this stuff out, they would never have gotten to where they are. They know their need, they know all the costs, they know al the info from other systems and they draw a line saying "Here is where we get the most efficiency for our costs." If you go to WDW, those wrist bands aren't just for you...they are insanely powerful data tracking tools. TDO has info on how long you are in your room, how much you spend, travel time between room and park, how much you spend, how much time you wait in line, etc...In addition, they are constantly surveying guests and figuring how long people will tolerate lines, road traffic, and other inconveniences. They can correlate any data point to anything else, down to how long a person will wait for a bus before complaining.

They aren't just throwing darts a board or saying "Do whats cheapest". Just because you choose to believe that facts like this don't exist, doesn't make it true. Disney has an insane number of statisticians, scientists and analysts who basically exist to work these projects out. Guest flow is one of the most important things to the company, because if a guest is standing at a bus stop, in a line or stuck in traffic, they aren't spending money. A massively efficient system to get guests form their room to the parks means more time for the guest to buy churros, buy a mickey hat, buy a soda, etc...it also means less standing around for the guests and more time for rides, which positively impact CS scores.

 

[larryz]

At the New Orleans World’s Fair In 1984, I rode this over the Mississippi River multiple times during a sweltering hot Louisiana summer. The cars were not air conditioned but well ventilated and the experience was very comfortable.View attachment 327211View attachment 327211

Was that before or after your visit to Pat O'Brien's?

 

[Obobru]

A new Groundhog Day movie is being made about this thread, no matter what day I open it it's the same thing over and over again.

 

[FigmentFreak]

Official word from Disney, no A/C:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/tra...y-skyliner-update-gondola-20181120-story.html

A Walt Disney World spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday that the gondolas would not have AC. The cabins were “specifically tailored to provide a comfortable ride for our guests in the Florida climate,” she said. The units will use cross-ventilation for sufficient air flow and reflective windows to prevent direct sunlight, she said.

So does this make all the upcoming deaths by spontaneous combustion pre-meditated?

Come ride the new Disney Air Fryers, I mean Skyliners

 

[seascape]

Some how I think you just added a whole lot of extra work to yourself. I don't see it going away until the thing is up and running and those with egg on their faces stop trying to convince people about how awful it is. So without the AC to shout about how awful it is going to be from people that haven't got a clue, I have to wonder what foolish thing will be focused on now.

Even after the skyway is open and there are no major issues many here will continue to complain. Just look at the threads on the fool who drove his ECV into the door at the GF and all the criticism Disney got on this Board. No matter what Disney does they are wrong. I will wait and see for myself how it goes.

 

[monothingie]

f TDO didn't have researchers and analysts figuring this stuff out, they would never have gotten to where they are.

Maybe long ago, they've since been replaced with marketing people who don't know an omnimover from a churro stand.

They aren't just throwing darts a board or saying "Do whats cheapest".

No Disney has never done anything on the cheap or cut stuff out of projects at the last minute to cut costs. Never Ever...

 

[lazyboy97o]

"According to Disneyland: The Nickel Tour (Bruce Gordon and David Mumford, 1995), Walt saw an opportunity to demonstrate a new mode of transportation that was practical and futuristic:
Walt was so intrigued by the possibilities that he bought one before he even knew where it would go. In one interview, prior to the ride’s opening, he described the Skyway as 'a transportation system of the future, for use in parking lots in huge shopping centers.' By November 18, the Von Roll engineers were working with designer John Hench to finalize the attraction."

https://www.yesterland.com/skyway.html

Thanks!

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

Maybe long ago, they've since been replaced with marketing people who don't know an omnimover from a churro stand.



No Disney has never done anything on the cheap or cut stuff out of projects at the last minute to cut costs. Never Ever...

Oooh now i want them to do an omnimover ( TTA style) with on board refreshments.

 

[Bender123]

Maybe long ago, they've since been replaced with marketing people who don't know an omnimover from a churro stand.



No Disney has never done anything on the cheap or cut stuff out of projects at the last minute to cut costs. Never Ever...

How do you think all those marketing people get their info? Do you think the TDO staff just randomly fire off marketing without an insane amount of research and analysis? Everything they do is run through an insane level of scientific and data analysis.

Of course they "cheap out" at times, but what company doesnt. The facts are that there is a line where spending more money on less effective options isnt "cheaping out" its just wasteful and a poor decision. Yes...the WDW fan in me wants a monorail, but the statistician and normal part of me sees every bit of justification and can see this is a much better mass transit option for the traffic patterns in that area.

 

[monothingie]

How do you think all those marketing people get their info? Do you think the TDO staff just randomly fire off marketing without an insane amount of research and analysis? Everything they do is run through an insane level of scientific and data analysis.

WDI is no longer the creative driver for development, corporate and Marketing are. Don't think so, look at what Epcot has done and where it is going.

Of course they "cheap out" at times, but what company doesnt. The facts are that there is a line where spending more money on less effective options isnt "cheaping out" its just wasteful and a poor decision. Yes...the WDW fan in me wants a monorail, but the statistician and normal part of me sees every bit of justification and can see this is a much better mass transit option for the traffic patterns in that area.

Like @flynnibus said earlier you are arguing in circles. In your response you just contradicted your initial statement.

 

[ZmBe13]

How do you think all those marketing people get their info? Do you think the TDO staff just randomly fire off marketing without an insane amount of research and analysis? Everything they do is run through an insane level of scientific and data analysis.

Of course they "cheap out" at times, but what company doesnt. The facts are that there is a line where spending more money on less effective options isnt "cheaping out" its just wasteful and a poor decision. Yes...the WDW fan in me wants a monorail, but the statistician and normal part of me sees every bit of justification and can see this is a much better mass transit option for the traffic patterns in that area.

I agree with you, the monorails are "cooler" but they are basically just a bus. The skyliner is more like the peoplemover than the monorail. I would think most people would agree the peoplemover is better because it is a continuous flow of transportation instead of having to wait a much longer time for a large vehicle to move a large group of people. This is probably also why Disney chose the gondola system, you get the effect of the peoplemover but its probably much cheaper to build.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

WDI is no longer the creative driver for development, corporate and Marketing are. Don't think so, look at what Epcot has done and where it is going.



Like @flynnibus said earlier you are arguing in circles. In your response you just contradicted your initial statement.

Isn't every argument on the monorail going to go round in circles ?

Spoiler

Resort line only

 

[Lucky]

Isn't every argument on the monorail going to go round in circles ?

Yeah, but some go clockwise and others counterclockwise.

 

[monothingie]

Isn't every argument on the monorail going to go round in circles ?

Wait this isn't the new monorail thread?

So you mean to tell me they weren't adding aircon to the GOTG ride at Epcot, a door fell off of the Star Wars Hotel because it was rammed by an ECV, and the the Skyliner isn't going to have a F&W kiosk in every third gondolla? Throw in there some complaints about the upcharge parties, price increases, and designer cupcakes and we're all good to cover all the bases.


It's unfortunate that because of the perceived slowness of all of Disney's construction projects and the lack of any new news the same discussions seem to happen over and over and over again just to keep the threads alive.

 

[meyeet]

lack of any new news the same discussions seem to happen over and over and over again just to keep the threads alive.

Plenty of stuff I don't remember being discussed:
- what colors will they use for the gondolas?
- how many total gondolas will there be?
- how many birds will die from gondola strikes?

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

but the statistician and normal part of me

I love this and will steal it. Thank you!

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

- how many birds will die from gondola strikes?

Uh, oh... I can “hear” the 300 posts on this now... :-/

 

[Goofyernmost]

Plenty of stuff I don't remember being discussed:
- what colors will they use for the gondolas?
- how many total gondolas will there be?
- how many birds will die from gondola strikes?

What Colors... It will look like skittles on a string. All colors of the rainbow and every tenth one will be black and be used to pick up the dead bodies at the end of the line. Do not attempt to enter a black one voluntarily.

How Many.... A whole bunches!

How many birds will die.... Only the blind ones and they were a hazard anyway. Pigeons will be served as Squab and Sea Gulls as petite chickens in many of Disney's fine dining places. The smaller birds will just be used to fill sinkholes.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

What Colors... It will look like skittles on a string. All colors of the rainbow and every tenth one will be black and be used to pick up the dead bodies at the end of the line. Do not attempt to enter a black one voluntarily.

How Many.... A whole bunches!

How many birds will die.... Only the blind ones and they were a hazard anyway. Pigeons will be served as Squab and Sea Gulls as petite chickens in many of Disney's fine dining places. The smaller birds will just be used to fill sinkholes.