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GoofGoof

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You have to include IP now in everything WDW does, so...

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The one on the right.
Makes sense. The CM will need to use that sword to attract the lightning and prevent it from striking the gondolas.

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Goofyernmost

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It’s used extensively in Europe and comes in much less than that. I live next to a new and followed its development; 9 miles was around $600 million.
Rail is something that is like breathing in Europe. You know how to do it and how to do it well. In the states, if it doesn't have a V-8 and can burn rubber from stoplights... we are lost. We don't have too many people that actually know how to build economical, reliable rail systems so it costs more.
 

LukeS7

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Rail is something that is like breathing in Europe. You know how to do it and how to do it well. In the states, if it doesn't have a V-8 and can burn rubber from stoplights... we are lost. We don't have too many people that actually know how to build economical, reliable rail systems so it costs more.
We also don't spend enough to upkeep what we do have
 

trainplane3

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Rail is something that is like breathing in Europe. You know how to do it and how to do it well. In the states, if it doesn't have a V-8 and can burn rubber from stoplights... we are lost. We don't have too many people that actually know how to build economical, reliable rail systems so it costs more.
I wish we had a filled out light rail system where I'm at. It only goes south of the city because they didn't tear up the tracks there in the 50s/60s. Our mayor finally realized it sucks and said if we don't get Amazon HQ2 then it's because of a bad light rail system (that doesn't even get to the airport).

At least we have some busways. It's much better then nothing. I'm kinda surprised WDW never tried anything along the lines of a busway though.
 

Bender123

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We also don't spend enough to upkeep what we do have

Not really true...Rail lines are extremely modern in the US, but the problem is that they are almost all owned by commercial rail companies that ship via rail. The requirements of a high speed passenger railroad and mile long freight train are vastly different. Considering almost all passenger rail goes over freight routes, im amazed we don't have more issues.
 

LukeS7

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Not really true...Rail lines are extremely modern in the US, but the problem is that they are almost all owned by commercial rail companies that ship via rail. The requirements of a high speed passenger railroad and mile long freight train are vastly different. Considering almost all passenger rail goes over freight routes, im amazed we don't have more issues.
Our rail lines are far from modern. The Northeast Corridor alone has a state-of-good-repair backlog of $28 billion and the US's infrastructure spending (as a percentage of GDP) is woefully low when compared to other countries and the technologies involved are lagging behind other nations.

It's true that the combined requirements of high-speed rail and freight are holding the system back though.
 

Kamikaze

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Our rail lines are far from modern. The Northeast Corridor alone has a state-of-good-repair backlog of $28 billion and the US's infrastructure spending (as a percentage of GDP) is woefully low when compared to other countries and the technologies involved are lagging behind other nations.

It's true that the combined requirements of high-speed rail and freight are holding the system back though.

The cost (and age) in the Northeast is due to how built up and cramped everything is around the tracks. Theres no way they can close tracks for long periods to change them out or update them, and nowhere to put in new lines. Coupled with it being the most heavily traveled commuter rail in the country, its a big issue. Its actually quite a wonder that the MTA/Metro-North/NJT functions quite as well as they do. You're talking somewhere around 300 million riders a year just on the lines that terminate in NYC.

Put another way: The ridership for the entire rest of the country is less than 225 million, and the NYC lines did ~280m last year.

If you include everything from DC to Boston, you're looking at ~360 million of the 500 total.

So yeah, the lines in the rest of the country might be more modern and 'better', but thats because they can afford to do upgrades without effecting a ridiculous amount of daily riders.
 
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GoofGoof

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Rail is something that is like breathing in Europe. You know how to do it and how to do it well. In the states, if it doesn't have a V-8 and can burn rubber from stoplights... we are lost. We don't have too many people that actually know how to build economical, reliable rail systems so it costs more.
A lot depends on where you build too. Lots of corruption and difficulty dealing with local and state governments. I have a good friend who runs an asphalt and paving company in Philadelphia and it amazes me to see the hoops he has to jump through for projects. Shutting down a road for repairs is a costly task. Shutting down a road to install light rail must be even more challenging due to the length and scope of the project. Not sayiing there aren’t similar problems in Europe too, just that it’s not only the lack of know how that sets US projects back.
 

Stripes

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Rail is something that is like breathing in Europe. You know how to do it and how to do it well. In the states, if it doesn't have a V-8 and can burn rubber from stoplights... we are lost. We don't have too many people that actually know how to build economical, reliable rail systems so it costs more.
Not sure if it's true but I heard that the land costs the government has to pay are a lot higher here than in Europe because property rights are stronger here. Again, not sure if it's true, but I also heard that at least half of the California HSR project costs are land costs.
 

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