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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Because there is a huge room, amenity, resort theme and restaurant difference between the Poly and Pop...If they charged near $350/night for a Pop room, that would basically render the current "deluxe" resorts in the MK area as either garbage or they would need to raise room rates to an insane level, just to keep the distinction alive.

But they have told you...and the bag holders here have justified it...that “categories” are outdated and now it’s gonna be “location based pricing”

So while they may not make it $400 a night at POP...Caribbean is already $275+...and all stars is $100-175...

Pop will be $250 in a flash...there really is no counter argument if you assess the situation.
 

Lensman

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WDW1974 reported ages ago there was a specific plan where the marketing of the resorts would change from the 3 current tiers, to be the '<area> resorts' and the pricing models would adjust as part of that. The skyliner will be part of the justification of the pricing of these resorts which will result in a shift of the price point people expect now of these resorts. @marni1971 has also confirmed that pricing will adjust as part of this skyliner effort.

To come along and say "well, maybe the pricing WILL go up because of increased demand... not a plan to specifically alter the pricing models" tries to directly counter, or simply ignore these trusted sources and discount the outcome as some convenient coincidence. These folks don't share 'just to be right..' they share so we can all be better with greater information. Personally I think it's disrespectful to try to discredit their leaks with trivial dismissals like "well prices go up anyways" or "demand will be up, so of course prices will go".

You don't have to believe them... that's your own choice, but the dimissals over "the sun always rises.." kind of rebuttals are disrespectful IMO. And personally I'd rather they continue to share for all our benefits... vs leave frustrated because some people can't see past the tip of their noses.
I'm not trying to discredit any "rumors". If fact, I totally believe that building the Skyliner would allow Disney to raise prices for those resorts. And I'm sure this was planned. I was just objecting to the use of the word "excuse". From a business perspective, adding services like the Skyliner serves to increase demand that that increased demand will support higher pricing. I've always totally believed that.

I suppose I should apologize to you for somehow not communicating this clearly.

BTW, who said, "well, maybe the pricing WILL go up because of increased demand... not a plan to specifically alter the pricing models"? I don't remember saying that, and I certainly don't believe that.

I'm being demonized! :)
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Well, we're still waiting for that inside rumor to actually happen. Next time someone has lunch with him in the Haunted Mansion restaurant, ask him when it's going to take place. :p

There's a difference between inside talk of what they may do and what they have definite plans to do.
I'm sure raising rates to pay for the capital investment of the gondolas over and above the what the resorts have paid for bus service is something they have a definite plan for.

Getting back to 'tiers,' the 'tiers' designation is pretty useless as it is right now since there are huge swings in prices within each tier. You also need to know if the quoted cost from a value tier category is for a campground lot, a regular room, or a suite, and what its view is. Will that be $47/night or $247/night? When I select a tier on the WDW website for pricing, the result shows all just the resorts for that tier. But, when I input the dates, then bam!, tier designation is gone and I'm being shows all the resorts. Not to mention WDW keeps adding and moving around resort 'tiers' designations without any announcements (oh, hello Gateway Hotels, and the Swolphin and campgrounds are their own category now, and Good Neighbor...).

As far a rate increases, what if they went up 20%! For the basic Pop room at its usual $120 discounted rate, that would mean it would be $142. Which isn't too bad. I don't see the values jumping all the way up to what had traditionally been moderate pricing. But, just a guess on my part.

...don’t look now...but I think you just met me on the common ground...

...we still gotta work through our Star Wars issues though 🙃
 

Mr Ferret 75

Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
Premium Member
Or 2 ECV's and a window AC unit (power not included).
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cosmicgirl

Well-Known Member
Yes, but the talk of the last few days has been akin to saying "no there won't be any changes due to SWL because they haven't made any changes as of today!" - Well, it's not even DONE yet, so jumping to the conclusion now is pretty short sighted. No, releasing 2019 availability doesn't change that.

Everyone is quick to say "see, told ya!!" - when the music hasn't even stopped yet. Wait for it....
It would help a lot if people didn't misconstrue other people's words, as you are doing right now. I don't recall anyone saying "no there won't be any changes due to SWL because they haven't made any changes as of today!" since I, regrettably, brought the topic up. In a nutshell, all that's been said is:
1. yes, they can and probably will increase prices at some point, but at the moment it is unclear when that would be; and
2. they haven't done it yet, so at the moment you can book to reap the benefits without paying for the increase.

Yet for some reason this was blown out of proportion, mostly because some posters misread or misinterpreted what others had written. And here we are again with blame being thrown around over something that wasn't even said. No one said that the Skyliner would never impact prices, therefore no one blatantly disregarded information provided by insiders as you're trying to make it look. A statement of facts was followed by speculation on what may or may not be and what may have been. If that's not allowed then what's the point of a news and rumours board?
 

Lensman

Well-Known Member
Economy airline seats are 17-18 inches wide.
My skin is crawling with the memory of all my seatmates in economy who had to put the armrest up in order to "fit".

So I came across something that said this system is air conditioned.

So I guess the question then is if it’s “not quite as hot” yet they still deemed it necessary to have AC how could WDW come to the conclusion they could get by without it?
Is the design of the AC system in the Wynn gondola the same one that's in the Emirates gondola in London? The one that was described upthread as "not working very well"?

There will be no AC. Each leg is pretty short and the doors are wide open the whole time the gondola is in the station. It is an unnecessary expense. The Maxwell Ultracap powered AC system on the Emirates Air Line in London is not working well at all.
 
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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
So I came across something that said this system is air conditioned.

So I guess the question then is if it’s “not quite as hot” yet they still deemed it necessary to have AC how could WDW come to the conclusion they could get by without it?

Answer is in the thread. Once you read it, if you have any questions, quote what you don't understand and ask away!
 

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