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[lazyboy97o]

My question was are there any examples of one of these being installed in a similar climate to central FL without AC. Apparently the answer is no.

Air conditioning is the exception, not the rule. Examples were posted previously.

 

[s8film40]

You must have me on ignore. I said Hong King earlier.

Yeah that’s right, I remember seeing that just never found the specific system.

 

[s8film40]

Air conditioning is the exception, not the rule. Examples were posted previously.

Well I’ll let you know if I find one, didn’t see a specific example earlier.

Of course I suppose the heat and humidity in FL is quite exceptional in itself so I suppose the fact they make these with AC’s in the first place pretty much sums up it’s necessity in this environment.

 

[Lensman]

My question was are there any examples of one of these being installed in a similar climate to central FL without AC. Apparently the answer is no.

I did some searching and found Constantine, Algeria, Singapore, and the Ngong Ping 360 in Hong Kong.

 

[GoofGoof]

Well I’ll let you know if I find one, didn’t see a specific example earlier.

Of course I suppose the heat and humidity in FL is quite exceptional in itself so I suppose the fact they make these with AC’s in the first place pretty much sums up it’s necessity in this environment.

From quite a few pages back:

Southeast Asia's climate is at least as bad as Florida's most of the time. They are both terrible as far as heat/humidity. We didn't bother leaving the hotel room for much of our stay at HKDL last time we were there because the heat/humidity was the worst I've ever experienced. Then again, the weather was probably secondary to us circumnavigating the earth to do all of the Disney parks in 2 weeks time on that particular trip (side note, we're so through with DL Paris that we skipped it despite being an hour away- it's not even a Disney park in our minds now- really hope Disney can do something to fix it although short of firing all of the French craftsmen and barring entry to French visitors, the maintenance and clientele will continue to be horrid forever). The time before that in Hong Kong was hellish too and we're used to heading out to the parks in Orlando during the middle of summer for non-work related fun days without issue.

Speaking of Hong Kong- the gondolas there at their Giant Buddha and Ocean Park don't have any air conditioning and they seemed fine. And that heat is just as bad as central Florida.

Also in Southeast Asia is the two-line Singapore Cable Car, which seems to offer a good balance of cost and comfort. No AC but each cabin has two windows in front, three in back and two on the side.

It’s a long thread, there are other examples from central/South America somewhere too in a pretty hot environment.

 

[flynnibus]

It would help a lot if people didn't misconstrue other people's words, as you are doing right now. I don't recall anyone saying "no there won't be any changes due to SWL because they haven't made any changes as of today!" since I, regrettably, brought the topic up

I never said those words were said... its called an ANALOGY. A parallel to illustrate a point. (Ironic since you claim its misreading that caused this...)

In a nutshell, all that's been said is:
1. yes, they can and probably will increase prices at some point, but at the moment it is unclear when that would be; and
2. they haven't done it yet, so at the moment you can book to reap the benefits without paying for the increase.

That is mostly what YOU said - but you were not the only one in the conversation. Your post was concisely addressed days ago when dan wrote:

Plus your position is tenuous at best. The gondola isn’t open. Therefore we don’t know how resort costs will be impacted when it’s operational.

Yet, you went out of your way to point out the next booking window doesn't include a rate increase... as if it really matters at this point to the grand scheme.

And here we are again with blame being thrown around over something that wasn't even said. No one said that the Skyliner would never impact prices, therefore no one blatantly disregarded information provided by insiders as you're trying to make it look. A statement of facts was followed by speculation on what may or may not be and what may have been. If that's not allowed then what's the point of a news and rumours board?

People did go well beyond your summary above. People took the cite about the next booking window, then lept to this snipet to mean they might NOT raise prices due to the skyliner. Then some lead onto suggest that Disney is NOT raising prices for skyliner opening (something that we still don't know...), so they start to speculate if/when. on that to mean they CAN'T raise rates... and must wait till 2020 (also an incorrect constraint). Then people go on that prices will raise because of demand (vs planned)... Then we goto price increases won't be associated with the openings...
"The only reason I brought it up was to highlight that Disney didn’t and likely won’t announce a price increase due to something new opening. The price increase will happen but it won’t be publicized as an increase due to the gondolas. "

Culminating with people calling the story about skyliners being behind pricing model changes "deceptive"

Sorry, but your cite while truthful about today's pricing... should not be extrapolated to the future.. even the dates within that booking window that is open. Disney can simply change things before that time comes. I personally don't see things tied to the opening per say, but tied to the rolling out of the narrative about how the products are sold. Which.. is not coupled to the rolling out of the next block of dates.

The rest of the 'must' "cant" "won't" extra junk all inbetween are the garbage from people extrapolating hope into something binding.. which it's not.

 

[danlb_2000]

So I came across something that said this system is air conditioned.

So I guess the question then is if it’s “not quite as hot” yet they still deemed it necessary to have AC how could WDW come to the conclusion they could get by without it?

Note that the article says that they adapted 8 passengers cars down to 6 passengers which might be because of the extra weight of the AC equipment. The cars can be kept at near outside temperature without AC, so since people are walking around all day at that temp, AC becomes a luxury not a necessity.

 

[s8film40]

Note that the article says that they adapted 8 passengers cars down to 6 passengers which might be because of the extra weight of the AC equipment. The cars can be kept at near outside temperature without AC, so since people are walking around all day at that temp, AC becomes a luxury not a necessity.

I wonder what the airflow is like. I think that’s the big factor. Sure you can walk around a park at 100 degrees, but if you get in an enclosed space with nine other people and there’s no air movement it’s going to get real bad real quick. I’m really genuinely curious to see how this turns out.

Personally (with no real knowledge) I’m betting on this getting lots of complaints, somone or more eventually passing out. Then Disney closes it for a few months to a year, sues the company they bought it from and installs AC’s.

 

[xdan0920]

I wonder what the airflow is like. I think that’s the big factor. Sure you can walk around a park at 100 degrees, but if you get in an enclosed space with nine other people and there’s no air movement it’s going to get real bad real quick. I’m really genuinely curious to see how this turns out.

Personally (with no real knowledge) I’m betting on this getting lots of complaints, somone or more eventually passing out. Then Disney closes it for a few months to a year, sues the company they bought it from and installs AC’s.

I will take this bet. I’ll even give you 3-1 odds.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I wonder what the airflow is like. I think that’s the big factor. Sure you can walk around a park at 100 degrees, but if you get in an enclosed space with nine other people and there’s no air movement it’s going to get real bad real quick. I’m really genuinely curious to see how this turns out.

Personally (with no real knowledge) I’m betting on this getting lots of complaints, somone or more eventually passing out. Then Disney closes it for a few months to a year, sues the company they bought it from and installs AC’s.

These aren’t sealed boxes, they will have passive ventilation. An air conditioning unit is not the only means of keeping a space comfortable or creating air flow.

 

[danlb_2000]

I wonder what the airflow is like. I think that’s the big factor. Sure you can walk around a park at 100 degrees, but if you get in an enclosed space with nine other people and there’s no air movement it’s going to get real bad real quick. I’m really genuinely curious to see how this turns out.

Personally (with no real knowledge) I’m betting on this getting lots of complaints, somone or more eventually passing out. Then Disney closes it for a few months to a year, sues the company they bought it from and installs AC’s.

The ventilation should keep the air moving just fine and you won't be in these very long, probably no more then 5 minutes at a time.

I don't see floods of lawsuits from people stuck on Monorails, can't see them happening here. They are buying this system from one of the worlds top gondola manufacturers, they the manufacturer thought it was un-safe to run them without AC they probably wouldn't be build it that way.

 

[s8film40]

These aren’t sealed boxes, they will have passive ventilation. An air conditioning unit is not the only means of keeping a space comfortable or creating air flow.

If these things are packed with 10 people wouldn’t those people around you block that airflow.

The ventilation should keep the air moving just fine and you won't be in these very long, probably no more then 5 minutes at a time.

I don't see floods of lawsuits from people stuck on Monorails, can't see them happening here. They are buying this system from one of the worlds top gondola manufacturers, they the manufacturer thought it was un-safe to run them without AC they probably wouldn't be build it that way.

I wasn’t talking about individual lawsuits, I really meant that more as a joke as that’s something Disney has done many times in the past when they weren’t happy with an end product even if it was “as described”.

I think looking at the reverse of this there are examples of these systems being air conditioned. To me it stands to reason they felt it was necessary to do this because the air flow just wasn’t enough to make it comfortable. I’ve seen people completely freak out about monorails being 80 degrees. I’m pretty sure some of those same people will be able to work themeselves up to passing out at 100 degrees.

 

[MisterPenguin]

So I came across something that said this system is air conditioned.

So I guess the question then is if it’s “not quite as hot” yet they still deemed it necessary to have AC how could WDW come to the conclusion they could get by without it?

Answer is in the thread. Once you read it, if you have any questions, quote what you don't understand and ask away!

My question was are there any examples of one of these being installed in a similar climate to central FL without AC. Apparently the answer is no.

Not only do you refuse to read the thread, but, apparently, reading your own post is too difficult for you. The answer to...

how could WDW come to the conclusion they could get by without it?

is in the thread. Read it.

Or, you know, keep posting the foolish proposition that people will pass out.

 

[s8film40]

Not only do you refuse to read the thread, but, apparently, reading your own post is too difficult for you. The answer to...

how could WDW come to the conclusion they could get by without it?

is in the thread. Read it.

Or, you know, keep posting the foolish proposition that people will pass out.

That wasn’t my original question, I think we misunderstood each other. Sorry.

My foolishness only comes from experience working with Disney guests. I’m not going to pretend it makes sense, but I’ve seen it first hand I know it will happen.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If these things are packed with 10 people wouldn’t those people around you block that airflow.

Those people are not creating a seal. Passive ventilation is a real thing. Hotter air leaving the gondola through the top will naturally pull in cooler air from below. The gondolas also have forward motion that will contribute to this air flow. Those highly reflective windows will also contribute to the thermal comfort of the gondolas.

 

[s8film40]

Those people are not creating a seal. Passive ventilation is a real thing. Hotter air leaving the gondola through the top will naturally pull in cooler air from below. The gondolas also have forward motion that will contribute to this air flow. Those highly reflective windows will also contribute to the thermal comfort of the gondolas.

Yeah I’m going to give it the benefit of the doubt for now. You may be right, I’m interested to see if it works.

 

[danlb_2000]

If these things are packed with 10 people wouldn’t those people around you block that airflow.

I wasn’t talking about individual lawsuits, I really meant that more as a joke as that’s something Disney has done many times in the past when they weren’t happy with an end product even if it was “as described”.

I think looking at the reverse of this there are examples of these systems being air conditioned. To me it stands to reason they felt it was necessary to do this because the air flow just wasn’t enough to make it comfortable. I’ve seen people completely freak out about monorails being 80 degrees. I’m pretty sure some of those same people will be able to work themeselves up to passing out at 100 degrees.

You keeping pointing out one of the very few systems that has ac, what about the dozens of other ones that don't.? If a.c. was really necessary wouldn't you expect a lot more systems to be built with it? @Lift Blog can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there are only 2 or 3 systems in the world with a.c., one being London which supposedly does not work very well.

 

[Lensman]

If these things are packed with 10 people wouldn’t those people around you block that airflow.

No, but your degree of thermal comfort might depend on who's sitting across from you in the cabin.

 

[s8film40]

You keeping pointing out one of the very few systems that has ac, what about the dozens of other ones that don't.? If a.c. was really necessary wouldn't you expect a lot more systems to be built with it? @Lift Blog can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there are only 2 or 3 systems in the world with a.c., one being London which supposedly does not work very well.

Well my knowledge of these systems is pretty limited. So I really don’t know much about other systems. To me these look like they would be pretty warm inside. I completely agree that may not be the case at all, I just don’t know and I’m curious to see how it works.

I just sometimes like to look at things from both sides. While it’s easy to say most don’t have AC. The alternative way to look at that is some are air conditioned. So the obvious question is if it’s so easy to keep these comfortable as has been stated then why did they go to all the trouble to put in AC?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well my knowledge of these systems is pretty limited. So I really don’t know much about other systems. To me these look like they would be pretty warm inside. I completely agree that may not be the case at all, I just don’t know and I’m curious to see how it works.

I just sometimes like to look at things from both sides. While it’s easy to say most don’t have AC. The alternative way to look at that is some are air conditioned. So the obvious question is if it’s so easy to keep these comfortable as has been stated then why did they go to all the trouble to put in AC?

Why does the Wynn Palace go through the trouble of using 507-thread-count sheets?