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[Goofyernmost]

The funny part is those people have a history of making some pretty big mistakes.

For example????

 

[marni1971]

Buses are servicing resorts Martin. So how much extra have we paid for that in the past (that we know of) those buses don't run on air. Which the Gondola's kind of do!

Don’t get you. I asked if you meant that we don’t know if the serviced resorts will increase their prices.

 

[Bender123]

Based on the information in this thread my wife says we will not be joining the club.

There are worse ways to go out while being struck by lightning, while burning alive, while falling to your death...

 

[Goofyernmost]

1.5 degrees Celsius, not Farenheit. So 95 degrees F = 35 degrees C = 97.7 degrees F. Plus you're in an enclosed space. So that's a bit bigger of a difference.

What I think is the issue though is the *expectation* of air conditioning. Most guests understand that walking around outside in 95 degree heat is going to be hot. The Ferry's are more open air and probably perceived as such. But the gondolas appear closed and even though they have ventilation, it probably won't be noticed especially since it will feel warmer than outside. And because it's enclosed, I think people will have expectations that it should have AC. Just like one expects indoor attractions in Fantasyland to have AC. If the Gondolas were more open air, say like the old Skyway, I think people would be more forgiving. But because it's enclosed, I think Disney will get a lot of complaints. Unless there's some system to blow cool air into the cabins at the stations. Either way I agree with @Sirwalterraleigh that AC will be added within a few years.

You make it sound like the Bataan Death March.

Don’t get you. I asked if you meant that we don’t know if the serviced resorts will increase their prices.

And we don't know if they are going to increase anymore then they would have anyway. Surely, accounting has been internally charging the resorts for bus services as well. And you didn't ask me anything. You put three words down followed by a ? That could either be a question or a sarcastic comment. Use your words Martin.

 

[s8film40]

For example????

The Yeti, Rocket Rods, Test Track, I could go on.

 

[Missing20K]

The project being approved was on the condition the serviced resorts pay for most of the cost over x amount of years.

Coming out from the shadows for a dumb question. If this is the case, do only Monorail resorts pay for the upkeep and maintenance of the Monorail system?

And by the same logic, do only resorts that have boat service, pay for the same upkeep, etc.?

I assume the answer to both are some fun with numbers of the non-GAAP, EBITDA accounting variety. Each entity maintaining autonomy and such.

Did any other resorts get a chance to pay for service during the design phase?

 

[HauntedPirate]

And we don't know if they are going to increase anymore then they would have anyway.

Oh, you were being serious?

 

[marni1971]

You make it sound like the Bataan Death March.

And we don't know if they are going to increase anymore then they would have anyway..

Yes they will.

 

[s8film40]

Coming out from the shadows for a dumb question. If this is the case, do only Monorail resorts pay for the upkeep and maintenance of the Monorail system?

And by the same logic, do only resorts that have boat service, pay for the same upkeep, etc.?

I assume the answer to both are some fun with numbers of the non-GAAP, EBITDA accounting variety. Each entity maintaining autonomy and such.

Did any other resorts get a chance to pay for service during the design phase?

My understanding has always been that each resort pays for the transportation for that resort. Wether it's buses monorail or boats or a combination or all of the above.

I would think that these resort could be saving money in the long run as it should cost less to operate.

 

[Lensman]

I am trying to remember, are the stations supposed to be air conditioned? The effect may be worse if they are.
Going from hot and breezy to hot and breezy isn't that bad.
Going from cool and dry to hot and humid is definitely more of a shock.

I agree and think this is a big factor in perception. From the concept art of the stations that Disney released, it looks like the stations will be open-air, but designs do change from the concept art. The stations also have to have at least one side open for the gondolas to go in and out so AC would be both expensive or of limited effectiveness. That said, I have some vague recollections of there being outdoor AC at the Tomorrowland Terrace back in 1987.

Looks like a six person greenhouse to me. Hope I'm wrong.

I was noticing what seemed to me to be IR blocking coating on the windows. So I don't think I'd call them very effective greenhouses. They'll block 90%-99% of the infrared which is 53% of solar irradiance. The window film also reflects a good portion of the visible spectrum so it's probably blocking 75% or more of the heat.

Yeah humidity is a big factor. An enclosed space with windows and filled with people is very difficult to cool to a reasonable temperature even with a good AC. Keeping this within 1.5 degrees of the outside temperature with only ventilation seems like a miraculous feat to me. If it works I'll want to go and see it just for that alone!

With open windows and ventilation both at the top and the bottom, the movement of the cabin through the air will provide enough air exchanges per minute that it doesn't surprise me that the outside and inside temperatures would be so close. The cabins will be moving forward at about 10 mph, the average speed of a (leisurely) recreational bicyclist.

 

[marni1971]

Coming out from the shadows for a dumb question. If this is the case, do only Monorail resorts pay for the upkeep and maintenance of the Monorail system??

Historically park tickets paid a subsidy to the WDW Monorail system.

 

[nickys]

Coming out from the shadows for a dumb question. If this is the case, do only Monorail resorts pay for the upkeep and maintenance of the Monorail system?

And by the same logic, do only resorts that have boat service, pay for the same upkeep, etc.?

I assume the answer to both are some fun with numbers of the non-GAAP, EBITDA accounting variety. Each entity maintaining autonomy and such.

Did any other resorts get a chance to pay for service during the design phase?

The monorails are not designed for, nor used exclusively for resort to park access. All guests who drive to MK use either the monorail or the ferry.

The gondolas on the other hand are replacing bus services from 3 large resorts (plus Riviera) to 2 parks. That is their primary purpose, resort to park transport. Makes sense those resorts should pay for them to a significant degree.

 

[DisneyJeff]

I was noticing what seemed to me to be IR blocking coating on the windows. So I don't think I'd call them very effective greenhouses. They'll block 90%-99% of the infrared which is 53% of solar irradiance. The window film also reflects a good portion of the visible spectrum so it's probably blocking 75% or more of the heat.

Listen mister, you take your reasonable observations and conclusions and find another forum!!! That kind of thinking isn't going to fly here! These flying boxes of death are going to bring down the company and probably the country as well!! End of story!!!



Edit: At least the "I survived the WDW Skyliner" t-shirts will sell big time!!

 

[Missing20K]

My understanding has always been that each resort pays for the transportation for that resort. Wether it's buses monorail or boats or a combination or all of the above.

I would think that these resort could be saving money in the long run as it should cost less to operate.

Historically park tickets paid a subsidy to the WDW Monorail system.

The monorails are not designed for, nor used exclusively for resort to park access. All guests who drive to MK use either the monorail or the ferry.

The gondolas on the other hand are replacing bus services from 3 large resorts (plus Riviera) to 2 parks. That is their primary purpose, resort to park transport. Makes sense those resorts should pay for them to a significant degree.

thanks for the answers everyone!

I mostly just wasn't sure how Disney does some of the internal accounting for capex. Appreciate clearing that up for me.

And sorry if it's been answered but I didn't see it in a search. Were any other resorts considered for service during the Blue Sky phase?

 

[Lensman]

My understanding has always been that each resort pays for the transportation for that resort. Wether it's buses monorail or boats or a combination or all of the above.

I would think that these resort could be saving money in the long run as it should cost less to operate.

As an example, here are the 2017 transportation expense budgets for DVC resorts in USD per vacation point:
0.4158 Grand Floridian
0.5688 Polynesian Villas
0.3188 Bay Lake Tower

0.7074 Wilderness Lodge (Boulder Ridge)
0.4805 Animal Kingdom Villas
0.4006 Boardwalk Villas
0.2930 Beach Club
0.6221 Saratoga Springs
0.7353 Old Key West

From this, it's not clear to me whether the monorail DVCs are really paying for operating costs of the resort monorail, given how they are all much less than the operating costs of transportation at the Wilderness Lodge. Either that or the operating costs of the monorail are less than we imagine them to be. Or the fractional allocation of monorail expenses to the monorail resorts is small relative that that allocated to "parking at the TTC" or "transfer to Epcot".

At any rate, it will be interesting to see the Riviera number when it is set.

 

[marni1971]

And sorry if it's been answered but I didn't see it in a search. Were any other resorts considered for service during the Blue Sky phase?

For gondolas? No. This came about from a plan to link the CBR to Epcot via water taxi.

 

[Rich Brownn]

The funny part is those people have a history of making some pretty big mistakes.

Remember these are the people who originally built the Mad Tea Party with no roof. In Florida. In the thunderstorm/rain capitol of the US

 

[cindy_k]

Remember these are the people who originally built the Mad Tea Party with no roof. In Florida. In the thunderstorm/rain capitol of the US

What good is a Tea Cup without some Tea.

 

[MaC410]

Are the gondolas replacing the buses between these resorts and parks or is it in addition to the buses?

 

[trainplane3]

Are the gondolas replacing the buses between these resorts and parks or is it in addition to the buses?

Word has been replacing.


Get hyped guys. Now we can start a new round of "what color is this tower?".