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ABQ

Well-Known Member
no matter what anyone says, they will be hot...a bit of a warm motion breeze is not going to cool them down....Ever been on the monorail with the AC not running on a warm day? (Disneyland Monorail) it is often horribly warm and not so pleasant.
standing at this bus stop can be brutally hot. I'd rather the warm breeze on the gondola vs this.

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flynnibus

Premium Member
I was thinking...with all the tree clearing, do you guys think it will be possible to walk the length of the gondola system aside from the water by Pop/AoA and EPCOT? Or will security/alligators have a problem with that? At ski resorts, I find the best way to take pictures of gondola systems is simply to ski under the line (or walk in the summer.)

I imagine in the wooded areas they will be fenced off. Might consider it a 'security risk' if out of sight.
 

Sam Magic

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Not the same thing. Disney has lots of areas that are off limits. I think Disney needs more pedestrian pathways though.
I don't really think that'll be a problem. The gondola's will transport people directly to where they need to be. Guest's aren't gonna have to wonder through the woods to get from the stations to the parks.
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
I feel like Disney will have these lines open in six months. No reason why they shouldn't be.
Doubtfull. I think they could have the stations done in 6 months, but not the system operational.

When does the Riviera open?

My bet is the gondola doesn't open before the Riviera does. Both to keep people out of a construction site (while in the station there, even without loading) and so construction equipment doesn't need to avoid the cable.

In my mind, the gondola should be done long before the Riviera if there wasn't any interaction between the two. Since there is an interaction though, the timing is likely dependent on that interaction instead.


The way the ropes cross canals and roadways, I'm sure there will be sections gated off to prevent people from walking from the BoardWalk Inn's backstage to the IG station and from the CBR Hub to DHS. Other than that, most of the line you can get under because of parking lots and parallel sidewalks.

But you know, it'd be great is WDW did create a walking path with bridges and road crossings for those few times the gondola isn't working. I would have loved to walk to DHS from Pop rather than use the bus.

I doubt they build a walking path that exactly follows the gondola. That would create a need for right away access, bridges, road crossings, all the things that make using a gondola an advantage instead of a land based system. There's no walking path under the monorail, even if you can walk under many parts of it. I would expect the gondola to be the same. For instance, I wouldn't expect to be able to walk from CBR to HS on the new path. The ends of it are just in bad places for pedestrian use. It looks like you can already walk from POP to CBR, just not the same path as the gondola follows.


no matter what anyone says, they will be hot...a bit of a warm motion breeze is not going to cool them down....Ever been on the monorail with the AC not running on a warm day? (Disneyland Monorail) it is often horribly warm and not so pleasant.

Not the same. The monorail is designed for AC. The cabins are designed to retain as much air as possible, changing it over through the AC system. With the system down, hot air builds up with no way to change over with outside air fast enough. The gondola system will be designed to change over the air and not build up hot air. It should be about the same as standing in the shade. Give or take the angle of the sun vs the gondola roof.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Original Poster
When does the Riviera open?

My bet is the gondola doesn't open before the Riviera does. Both to keep people out of a construction site (while in the station there, even without loading) and so construction equipment doesn't need to avoid the cable.

In my mind, the gondola should be done long before the Riviera if there wasn't any interaction between the two. Since there is an interaction though, the timing is likely dependent on that interaction instead.
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The Riviera station is separated enough from the hotel that the gondola could open before the hotel is complete.

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Lift Blog

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The below article is about expanded production at CWA's gondola cabin manufacturing base in Switzerland. The yellow cabins shown in photo number two could be bound for Florida. They have double window frames up top which is not typical for ski resorts. The company will produce about 2,400 cabins this year and a few hundred of those will go to WDW.
https://www.oltnertagblatt.ch/solot...-platz-cwa-baut-standort-olten-aus-132370671#
 
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nickys

Premium Member
When does the Riviera open?

My bet is the gondola doesn't open before the Riviera does. Both to keep people out of a construction site (while in the station there, even without loading) and so construction equipment doesn't need to avoid the cable.

In my mind, the gondola should be done long before the Riviera if there wasn't any interaction between the two. Since there is an interaction though, the timing is likely dependent on that interaction instead.




I doubt they build a walking path that exactly follows the gondola. That would create a need for right away access, bridges, road crossings, all the things that make using a gondola an advantage instead of a land based system. There's no walking path under the monorail, even if you can walk under many parts of it. I would expect the gondola to be the same. For instance, I wouldn't expect to be able to walk from CBR to HS on the new path. The ends of it are just in bad places for pedestrian use. It looks like you can already walk from POP to CBR, just not the same path as the gondola follows.




Not the same. The monorail is designed for AC. The cabins are designed to retain as much air as possible, changing it over through the AC system. With the system down, hot air builds up with no way to change over with outside air fast enough. The gondola system will be designed to change over the air and not build up hot air. It should be about the same as standing in the shade. Give or take the angle of the sun vs the gondola roof.

Riviera is slated for summer/ fall 2019. So are the gondolas I think.

The station isn't in the resort, there's a covered walkway to the station. So once the station is complete, it won't impact any construction. In any case even if the resort isn't finished it would presumably be internal fittings etc to do, maybe some landscaping.

So if there is a delay to Riviera I don't see the gondolas being delayed. The station will be complete long before the resort.
 

Rob562

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Which M-W are you using?...

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Collins and Oxford only gives the hard g. Webster's New World give the hard g first (followed by dzh and j). American Heritage gives hard g first. None of these gave a sound file with the soft g.

Not to mention I've never heard gigabyte pronounced with a soft g. :)

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Seeing the towers go up affirms for me just how short these gondola lines are relative to ski country. We don’t yet know Disney’s speed choice but I think the longest line (International Gateway-CBB) will be around 7 minutes. A chunk of that is the two turning stations at slow speed. The other two lines are probably less than 5 minutes apiece. So on any given trip you are looking at 15 minutes max.

Since the Boardwalk turning point isn't a loading station, could the cabins transit it at a faster speed than the load/unload crawl speed to shorten the overall transit time to/from Epcot?

-Rob
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
The Riviera station is separated enough from the hotel that the gondola could open before the hotel is complete.

The station isn't in the resort, there's a covered walkway to the station. So once the station is complete, it won't impact any construction. In any case even if the resort isn't finished it would presumably be internal fittings etc to do, maybe some landscaping.

That definitely helps. Especially the photo. Since, it looks like construction equipment probably enters from the opposite side of the site.

Probably still some advantages to paving and landscaping to do it all at one time instead of in stages. But, it definitely looks like they could do it in stages if they wanted to.

I keep picturing a truck with it's bed still lifted by mistake driving past the cable where it get's low near the station. All those signs on highway construction sites reminding drivers to lower first. Something that can obviously be worked around either way. But, one way to be totally sure is not to have the cable there at all. One of those risk things that's much higher during active construction than normal maintenance.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
When does the Riviera open?

My bet is the gondola doesn't open before the Riviera does. Both to keep people out of a construction site (while in the station there, even without loading) and so construction equipment doesn't need to avoid the cable.

In my mind, the gondola should be done long before the Riviera if there wasn't any interaction between the two. Since there is an interaction though, the timing is likely dependent on that interaction instead.




I doubt they build a walking path that exactly follows the gondola. That would create a need for right away access, bridges, road crossings, all the things that make using a gondola an advantage instead of a land based system. There's no walking path under the monorail, even if you can walk under many parts of it. I would expect the gondola to be the same. For instance, I wouldn't expect to be able to walk from CBR to HS on the new path. The ends of it are just in bad places for pedestrian use. It looks like you can already walk from POP to CBR, just not the same path as the gondola follows.




Not the same. The monorail is designed for AC. The cabins are designed to retain as much air as possible, changing it over through the AC system. With the system down, hot air builds up with no way to change over with outside air fast enough. The gondola system will be designed to change over the air and not build up hot air. It should be about the same as standing in the shade. Give or take the angle of the sun vs the gondola roof.
I meantioned specifically the Disneyland Monorail...which did not have AC... It has vent scoops to bring fresh air in...and even in the cooler California climate, the monorail can be quite warm...
 

nickys

Premium Member
Yes but you can't walk there now...I doubt they will spend millions of dollars to put a safe pedestrian walkway in so that people can walk the 3 miles to the CBR.

I know you can't walk there. And I don't expect them to do create a path under the gondola route. I was making the point that it would be nice to be able to walk to parks sometimes.

AKL to AK just needs a couple of crossing lights installed really. There's a perfectly good vergeway you could use most of the way. Disney are just so scared of any kind of incident occurring that they won't consider sidewalks. I know why and all that, it's just a shame.
 

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