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[flynnibus]

There are similarities, but we'll not discuss those because it might continue to upset you and we wouldn't want that.

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If you just want to hear yourself talk and congratulate yourself... start a blog.. or hang out in the disturbed disney twitter circles.

 

[peter11435]

There are similarities, but we'll not discuss those because it might continue to upset you and we wouldn't want that.

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But the similarities that exist are not relevant to the discussion. The differences between the two systems are exactly what directly effects the exact issue we are discussing.

 

[NormC]

Cleveland SkyLift, London Emirates Air Lift, even the SkyWheel in Poland...

Cleveland Sky Lift doesn't exist yet, Leitner Poma and Doppelmayr are both potential builders and air-conditioning is one of the features they would like to have in Cleveland but don't yet..
London Air Line has broken AC all the time. They are having trouble keeping it working so many cars have it turned off.
SkyWheel is not a cable car. It has a constant source of power so AC is easy.

 

[larryz]

Perception is what matters.

Actually, perspiration, then evaporation, is what matters...

 

[larryz]

As to a 2 hour stoppage:
https://asiancorrespondent.com/2012/02/ngong-ping-360s-latest-mishap/#9vI6lEOwW8IrhTIQ.97

So, the temperature there DOES drop to a "chilly 3° Celsius"...

 

[larryz]

So... Disney shuts down in those conditions because they're intolerable?

Absolutely not. But they don't force you to wander around in a plexiglass bubble with 9 other people, either.

 

[larryz]

If you're worried about the heat of a gondola, you can carry on an iced drink.

You can pretty much bet your next FP+ (which you can transfer to another member of your party) that you won't be allowed to carry open drinks on the gondola system.

 

[larryz]

Yes, they invested money in Rocket Rods, but that doesn't mean everything they invest money in now will fail.

Disney buys buses all the time from a company that specializes in manufacturing buses. That company sells buses to a lot of other people besides Disney too. Disney relies on them to be experts in designing and building buses. The gondolas are a much more similar situation to that. The company they are buying the system from has experience building similar systems around the world. Disney can rely on their experience and expertise to help decide what's the best option.

A fan may be a doable option. The problem with the AC is charging the battery. The gondola is only in the station for a minute or 2 at most which isn't a lot of time to charge the battery. The system in Macau has AC powered that way, but it has had mixed reviews.

Solar power -- there's a lot of exposed roof area on "Mickey's Plexiglass Bubbles of Death."

 

[larryz]

It was raining castles and domiciles!

At least it wasn't raining Charlies. We already have enough Charles Mansions...

 

[Kamikaze]

You can pretty much bet your next FP+ (which you can transfer to another member of your party) that you won't be allowed to carry open drinks on the gondola system.

Yes you will. You can carry drinks on the other forms of transportation. This won't be any different.

 

[LukeS7]

If you just want to hear yourself talk and congratulate yourself... start a blog.. or hang out in the disturbed disney twitter circles.

OOH OOH, I know a certain Tom who has a Disney website that he'd fit in well at!

 

[Creathir]

If a normal battery were used to power the AC it would have to power it for the entire day since there would be no way to re-charge it while in operation. The system in London uses a super capacitor instead of a battery, since these can be charged very rapidly while the vehicle is passing through the station, but as a tradeoff they di-charge very quickly.

Like I said, I would use ultracaps for the normal day to day operations, with charging leads in the stations.

I would have several car batteries onboard for backup emergency use. A very simple circuit could jump between the two. You just need enough to keep it cool for 2-3 hours (or whatever the max time it should take to extract folks in an emergency situation)

When the system as a whole costs $60-80 million, the added cost to add onboard power systems for infotainment and emergency cooling should not be that much.

But hey, maybe those of us which are concerned are worrying about nothing?

We'll know in a few years time.

 

[truecoat]

Like I said, I would use ultracaps for the normal day to day operations, with charging leads in the stations.

I would have several car batteries onboard for backup emergency use. A very simple circuit could jump between the two. You just need enough to keep it cool for 2-3 hours (or whatever the max time it should take to extract folks in an emergency situation)

When the system as a whole costs $60-80 million, the added cost to add onboard power systems for infotainment and emergency cooling should not be that much.

But hey, maybe those of us which are concerned are worrying about nothing?

We'll know in a few years time.

The longest ride would be from Epcot to DHS if you chose to do it. From AOA to the transfer station is about 3 minutes and another 4 to DHS. Going from the transfer station to Epcot on the other hand will take another 10 maybe? The key thing is that there won't be a lot of time spent in the gondola.

 

[Bocabear]

The longest ride would be from Epcot to DHS if you chose to do it. From AOA to the transfer station is about 3 minutes and another 4 to DHS. Going from the transfer station to Epcot on the other hand will take another 10 maybe? The key thing is that there won't be a lot of time spent in the gondola.

how do we know this when the ride system hasn't even been officially announced yet? Do we know the exact timing of the gondolas and exactly how fast they will travel?

 

[Creathir]

The longest ride would be from Epcot to DHS if you chose to do it. From AOA to the transfer station is about 3 minutes and another 4 to DHS. Going from the transfer station to Epcot on the other hand will take another 10 maybe? The key thing is that there won't be a lot of time spent in the gondola.

Sorry for the confusion, my post was concerning an emergency stop situation, where folks are extracted from the gondolas via a utility truck.

The longest I would think folks would have to wait in that type of situation is 2-3 hours.

Sitting for 3 hours on a summer afternoon in a glass room with only forced air ventilation with no shade under the hot Florida sun could lead to a very dangerous situation.

 

[danlb_2000]

Sorry for the confusion, my post was concerning an emergency stop situation, where folks are extracted from the gondolas via a utility truck.

The longest I would think folks would have to wait in that type of situation is 2-3 hours.

Sitting for 3 hours on a summer afternoon in a glass room with only forced air ventilation with no shade under the hot Florida sun could lead to a very dangerous situation.

But this should be a rare occurrence as @Lift Blog described earlier in the thread....

Sort of. A typical lift system has three movers - the primary electric motor, a large diesel standby drive and a smaller diesel evacuation drive - in addition to three sets of brakes. The evacuation drive bypasses some of the safery systems that could be preventing the lift from moving and is designed only to offload passengers at slow speed under careful supervision. There are still a few possible but unlikely failures that could necessitate a rope evacuation: a major deropement, bad bullwheel bearings or gearbox failure. Disney could opt for additional redundancies including DirectDrive (no gearbox) to further minimize the already unlikely scenario of an evacuation.

 

[larryz]

Yes you will. You can carry drinks on the other forms of transportation. This won't be any different.

Quite so. You can carry drinks. My bad.

As to whether or not you can drink them while riding, I can't find a definitive answer, but I seem to recall that doing so is discouraged.

 

[Creathir]

But this should be a rare occurrence as @Lift Blog described earlier in the thread....

Oh absolutely.

So are monorail evacuations. Most mass transit systems today are very reliable, and I'm sure the gondola will be no exception.

It still does not change the fact that guests could be trapped in the gondolas for several hours awaiting evacuation. And environmental control design is as reported only a forced air system, they could get really hot really fast inside of them.

Things break. Gondolas will too. I'm just hoping Disney is being cognizant of the potential safety risk in a very rare situation, but still one which exists.

 

[Kamikaze]

Quite so. You can carry drinks. My bad.

As to whether or not you can drink them while riding, I can't find a definitive answer, but I seem to recall that doing so is discouraged.

You can. Its only attractions that they don't allow you to have open drinks on.

 

[cindy_k]

You can. Its only attractions that they don't allow you to have open drinks on.

Not to get too offtopic, but they ask you not to drink while on the parking lot trams.