EPCOTCenterLover
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Welcome back, Darkbeer! (One of the best posts here in awhile- meaning GLAD TO SEE YOU!)
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New Disneyland Parking Garage and Transportation Hub
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truecoat
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@Darkbeer1, sounds like you went through hell and back. Glad to see you're feeling better!
Practical Pig
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The foot traffic from Harbor wasn't going to get into the parks without passing through security, and my understanding had been that all westside security was being pushed out to the new parking/security development. Darkbeer has now indicated that a small checkpoint will presumably be added to accommodate localized Harbor pedestrians. I don't recall that being in the original plan, but maybe it was.
Practical Pig
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And a hearty welcome back from me as well, @Darkbeer1 . I read your earlier work here with great interest and appreciation. Well done on your recovery!
Disney Irish
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Here is the City Planning meeting back on 12/12/16 where the following question was asked. How a guest staying at one of the Harbor properties currently get into the Park and then how they would after the bridge went in without any of the proposed modifications to the project.
It goes from 6:15 to 9:12 in the video with two City Planners asking the same question back-to-back.
As the video shows Disney has always planned to have a second security screening at the Harbor street entrance via the crosswalk, albeit a smaller one. It just wasn't documented on the plan, which I think is where this idea that the only way to get into DLR was the bridge. So in that case I blame Disney for not making it clearer.
And welcome back @Darkbeer1 glad to hear you are doing better.
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Practical Pig
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Darkbeer1
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First off, thanks for the kind words...
I remember taking that video...
And I needed to stop by City Hall this afternoon, so took some quick photos of the resort area after that, including the former Arena Inn sight, and the Disappearing Anabella...
https://darkbeer.smugmug.com/Theme-Parks/Anaheim-Resort-District---1052017/
I remember taking that video...
And I needed to stop by City Hall this afternoon, so took some quick photos of the resort area after that, including the former Arena Inn sight, and the Disappearing Anabella...
https://darkbeer.smugmug.com/Theme-Parks/Anaheim-Resort-District---1052017/
Glad to have you back @Darkbeer1 Here is to your continued health!
Darkbeer1
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Let's recap what is next.
Early this year, the city announced an agreement with Disney in regards to the first part below, then city laws and regulations kick in.
Disney announces a revised plan, and allow the city to post it on its website, and a minimum of 30 days would happen before another "workshop", where the plan is discussed in front of the Planning commission but no decision will be made. Disney and city staff will be in attendance to go over the plans, and then take comments from the public and the planning commissioners.
Disney could hold its own workshops during that 30 day period, say one with the hotel/restaurant owners.
After the public workshop, Disney can decide to submit the plan as written, make minor changes or go back to the drawing board.
So more than likely, Disney will make some changes, then formally submit the plan (request) to the city Planning Commission, where it will be placed on a future agenda about 30 days after that, depending on the board's schedule.
At that meeting, more public comments and then a vote by the board. If denied, back to making more changes. If approved, then a resolution is drawn up for the city council and placed on its agenda. Once again, public comments and then one of a few actions, accept it with no further action (consent), which is highly unlikely. Or place it up for discussion, where the councilmembers including the mayor can make comments and ask questions to the city staff (but not Disney), this could be a long discussion. Then a decision is made to vote on the item, or refer it back for further adjustments. The vote could be Yes or No. If yes, some time has to pass for legal challenges, and the becomes officially approved. If No, Disney would be required to start over from scratch, or redesign the project to just the approved Pummba Parking structure (Master Plan) and not use the land they bought and the Carousel Hotel. Those properties could revert back to the original use, a Hotel on Harbor, and warehouses and support services for Disney on the Manchester property.. (Current approved uses).
This would require some sort of transit to be part of the structure to the current Transportation Hub, which would remain, and not used for DCA expansion.
So in Disney eyes, they are going to have to come up with a deal. That might mean starting on the Structure to be "Stand Alone", and wait until 2019, where hopefully a more friendly council will be in charge, and they can try again from scratch
So we are looking at an early summer 2018 date as the earliest the gateway portion will start.
Early this year, the city announced an agreement with Disney in regards to the first part below, then city laws and regulations kick in.
Disney announces a revised plan, and allow the city to post it on its website, and a minimum of 30 days would happen before another "workshop", where the plan is discussed in front of the Planning commission but no decision will be made. Disney and city staff will be in attendance to go over the plans, and then take comments from the public and the planning commissioners.
Disney could hold its own workshops during that 30 day period, say one with the hotel/restaurant owners.
After the public workshop, Disney can decide to submit the plan as written, make minor changes or go back to the drawing board.
So more than likely, Disney will make some changes, then formally submit the plan (request) to the city Planning Commission, where it will be placed on a future agenda about 30 days after that, depending on the board's schedule.
At that meeting, more public comments and then a vote by the board. If denied, back to making more changes. If approved, then a resolution is drawn up for the city council and placed on its agenda. Once again, public comments and then one of a few actions, accept it with no further action (consent), which is highly unlikely. Or place it up for discussion, where the councilmembers including the mayor can make comments and ask questions to the city staff (but not Disney), this could be a long discussion. Then a decision is made to vote on the item, or refer it back for further adjustments. The vote could be Yes or No. If yes, some time has to pass for legal challenges, and the becomes officially approved. If No, Disney would be required to start over from scratch, or redesign the project to just the approved Pummba Parking structure (Master Plan) and not use the land they bought and the Carousel Hotel. Those properties could revert back to the original use, a Hotel on Harbor, and warehouses and support services for Disney on the Manchester property.. (Current approved uses).
This would require some sort of transit to be part of the structure to the current Transportation Hub, which would remain, and not used for DCA expansion.
So in Disney eyes, they are going to have to come up with a deal. That might mean starting on the Structure to be "Stand Alone", and wait until 2019, where hopefully a more friendly council will be in charge, and they can try again from scratch
So we are looking at an early summer 2018 date as the earliest the gateway portion will start.
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Old Mouseketeer
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If they were to build the new Pumbaa structure with the escalators descending to the north, they could also build the "new" shuttle turnarounds without any of the security infrastructure or overpass. They could run shuttles to the existing transit area next to the Esplanade. Then, when the rest of the plan gets through the city, build the rest and vacate the existing shuttle area.
180º
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My thoughts exactly. If the city continues to push back, hopefully we can at least get the extra parking spaces.
Old Mouseketeer
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Well, they have to do something. If they have approval for the structure and the street improvements on Disney Way, they should stop dithering and get going. It has flaws, but it will add parking.
lazyboy97o
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That type of phasing would kill the bridge as it would demonstrate the encroachment to be unnecessary.
180º
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I agree with you completely. On the other hand, I really want those extra parking spaces.
Old Mouseketeer
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Perhaps. But it's a calculated risk. Starting the structure on a timeline for completion before SW:GE opens, while continuing to negotiate for some form of bridge and security screening gives them 18 months before that proof negates their position.
Disney Irish
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I don't see how it would for sure demonstrate the bridge as unnecessary. Does it have a potential to be unnecessary, sure, but its not a for sure thing. It could also show the extra 10k+ people walking across the street at the cross walk as a complete nightmare for traffic and pedestrian flow.
lazyboy97o
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Encroachments usually need to have a demonstrated need and benefit to the public. If Disney is able to move people with busses and others means then it undermines their argument that the public has to give something up. What is best for Disney’s Operations is not necessarily going to be viewed as necessary for giving up public property.
truecoat
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She does state they could cross at the existing crosswalk but all plans I saw eliminated that crosswalk and forced traffic to cross at Manchester if they wanted to avoid the new entrance.