News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Keladry84]

What I'm having trouble parsing are the people that say they absolutely cannot do Disney at all without DAS. This is not because of questioning need, but because DAS only does one thing: provides an alternate location for the wait to access attractions. That's it. There's so so so so much more that is part of a Disney trip that is not going to be accommodated by DAS. People seem to think it is some kind of blanket accommodation to access everything, but it's not. It targets one specific need and aspect that is dwarfed by the whole experience.

Just for context, I do qualify for DAS - both pre and post changes. However, if I had applied and gotten denied, I'd still have gone. My trip would look very different as there are rides/attractions that I only have access to due to DAS. But I'd do the same thing I do in everyday life - shift, refocus, and find something else pretty awesome that I enjoy doing and can do. There would be disappointment, yes, but no reason to cancel Disney altogether.

 

[Chi84]

Businesses can't charge for disability accommodations. There are certain exceptions for things like mobility scooters / wheelchairs because they are considered personal equipment, but in general if something requires payment it's not a disability accommodation.

(That doesn't mean it can't be used as an accommodation by any individual - but Disney cannot advertise it as a disability accommodation).

Right. They don’t advertise LLs as a disability accommodation. But there were a ton of posts earlier discussing this to death and I believe the mods said they don’t want it rehashed.

 

[Figgy1]

What I'm having trouble parsing are the people that say they absolutely cannot do Disney at all without DAS. This is not because of questioning need, but because DAS only does one thing: provides an alternate location for the wait to access attractions. That's it. There's so so so so much more that is part of a Disney trip that is not going to be accommodated by DAS. People seem to think it is some kind of blanket accommodation to access everything, but it's not. It targets one specific need and aspect that is dwarfed by the whole experience.

Just for context, I do qualify for DAS - both pre and post changes. However, if I had applied and gotten denied, I'd still have gone. My trip would look very different as there are rides/attractions that I only have access to due to DAS. But I'd do the same thing I do in everyday life - shift, refocus, and find something else pretty awesome that I enjoy doing and can do. There would be disappointment, yes, but no reason to cancel Disney altogether.

You're lucky, some are not so fortunate

 

[Angel Ariel]

Right. They don’t advertise LLs as a disability accommodation. But there were a ton of posts earlier discussing this to death and I believe the mods said they don’t want it rehashed.

I know you know, and not looking to rehash, I just was aiming for clarity for anyone new jumping into this thread who wasn't part of the earlier discussion.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I think some people were getting DAS because they didn’t want to have to pay for LLs though…

Some people used questionable arguments to push to get DAS and bought LL. And are looking for a way to do it again.

 

[jennab55]

Some people used questionable arguments to push to get DAS and bought LL. And are looking for a way to do it again.

I think most people who didn’t really need it, but got it, did so because they didn’t want to pay for LLs each time they went to the parks. I don’t believe most people who didn’t need DAS were also buying the LLs. Some, but I wouldn’t say most.

 

[Splash4eva]

Some people used questionable arguments to push to get DAS and bought LL. And are looking for a way to do it again.

as a DAS user im dammed if i do. Dammed if i dont. I buy LL and comments like this are made. People who chose not to buy it only needed DAS to avoid paying. You cant argue both sides. Ever think people like myself who needs it and others chose to buy it to make their vacation just a little less stressful and easier to manage? Others chose not to because maybe they vacation differently. The goal posts have always moved when it came to DAS and why people used it. Yes im sure some outright lied to get but the vast majority needed it to make the trip possible and that much more manageable

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t personally think they are denying people because they want to push them into paid options. I think they redid the program because of drastic overuse. I think some people were getting DAS because they didn’t want to have to pay for LLs though…

To me it sounds like they are trying to catch the people who slipped through the first go around and upon renewal are denying. The ones I’ve heard of are adults though, not children (not saying there aren’t any, just not the ones I’ve heard of yet).

Correct…

Word hit the cyber street just to ask for it…and then it was over effectively

Also…if I recall…there was a problem reported at guest services..
Ie there were cms giving it out to people not anywhere close to DAS as a preferential treatment


…by the way…its so delightful that this thread has risen like the phoenix…to see the same toxic fumes rising from it again

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

as a DAS user im dammed if i do. Dammed if i dont. I buy LL and comments like this are made. People who chose not to buy it only needed DAS to avoid paying. You cant argue both sides. Ever think people like myself who needs it and others chose to buy it to make their vacation just a little less stressful and easier to manage? Others chose not to because maybe they vacation differently. The goal posts have always moved when it came to DAS and why people used it. Yes im sure some outright lied to get but the vast majority needed it to make the trip possible and that much more manageable

I think this is an old idea…

But if you are using a DAS return time…you shouldn’t be using LL in the same time window. You want to buy and alternate?…no issue.

But being in two lines at once is not “accsss”…it’s an advantage that no non-das user can ever have.

Still failing to see how this is a controversial take?

But I’m stupid…as everyone knows

 

[HauntedPirate]

as a DAS user im dammed if i do. Dammed if i dont. I buy LL and comments like this are made. People who chose not to buy it only needed DAS to avoid paying. You cant argue both sides. Ever think people like myself who needs it and others chose to buy it to make their vacation just a little less stressful and easier to manage? Others chose not to because maybe they vacation differently. The goal posts have always moved when it came to DAS and why people used it. Yes im sure some outright lied to get but the vast majority needed it to make the trip possible and that much more manageable

So being called out for your bragging about getting DAS for “ADD” plus buying LL so you didn’t have to wait in lines means… you’re the victim here? I have the world’s smallest violin playin’ for ya.

 

[Splash4eva]

I think this is an old idea…

But if you are using a DAS return time…you should be using LL in the same time window. You want to buy and alternate?…no issue.

But being in two lines at once is not “accsss”…it’s an advantage that no non-das user can ever have.

Still failing to see how this is a controversial take?

But I’m stupid…as everyone knows

We have had this convo before this is another change they could have possibly made or altered but we know disney is never passing up on people willing to spend money & the grey area is w genie & stand by people were waiting in 2 lines at once in theory as well… i know its a stretch but also tech true

 

[Splash4eva]

So being called out for your bragging about getting DAS for “ADD” plus buying LL so you didn’t have to wait in lines means… you’re the victim here? I have the world’s smallest violin playin’ for ya.

Who said i get it for ADD? You have no clue why i need it & why im approved. Who is saying im a victim? All im saying is. People claim guests claimed DAS to avoid paying for Genie. Then when the same dAS users decide to pay to make the trips again more manageable they get criticized. As i said. Dammed either way. Again everyone thinks dAS is some magic pass its not especially when parks are busy.

 

[jennab55]

as a DAS user im dammed if i do. Dammed if i dont. I buy LL and comments like this are made. People who chose not to buy it only needed DAS to avoid paying. You cant argue both sides. Ever think people like myself who needs it and others chose to buy it to make their vacation just a little less stressful and easier to manage? Others chose not to because maybe they vacation differently. The goal posts have always moved when it came to DAS and why people used it. Yes im sure some outright lied to get but the vast majority needed it to make the trip possible and that much more manageable

I don’t think this as we’ve had DAS and bought the paid option (G+ at the time). I’ve said it before, that I’m willing to pay to make our trip less stressful for all. We aren’t open o close park people anyway, so has worked for us to be able to hit rides for a few hours then take a break for hours.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t think this as we’ve had DAS and bought the paid option (G+ at the time). I’ve said it before, that I’m willing to pay to make our trip less stressful for all. We aren’t open o close park people anyway, so has worked for us to be able to hit rides for a few hours then take a break for hours.

…but do you get a DAS with say a return time of 5:15…but have a lightning lane booked at 4:30?

That’s where it gets sticky.

And none of this is “easy” nor absolute. But Disney is serving its own agenda (everyone pays) and that has squeezed the capacity by design…so unlimited access to DAS had to go.

Just hard.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We have had this convo before this is another change they could have possibly made or altered but we know disney is never passing up on people willing to spend money & the grey area is w genie & stand by people were waiting in 2 lines at once in theory as well… i know its a stretch but also tech true

Not a good analogy…

If you were in a standby with a slot through genie…you were in the line

If you do the same thing with DAS…you can spend an hour eating…or feeding the ducks (my personal favorite) or buying your 87th loungelfy bag with matching, hideous ears…

More freedom. And yes…that sounds awful with DAS but it is technically true.

And what gets me is not extra rides…I wish everyone can get what they want.

The problem is this: Disney gets everything if desires and it sucks for everyone:
1. Das users now give them the LL money they want.
2. The combo using of both puts more stress on the capacity of the rides
3. That stress contributes to the unspoken pressure to buy these line skips…
4. Lather rinse…
And making all high priced gate entry tickets closer to worthless.

So what would I pay $175 on a crowded day to enter magic kingdom for?

The ability to buy a $75 breakfast at Crystal Palace? Or to buy a $45 line skip with restricted use?


So much magic

 

[Chi84]

I don’t think this as we’ve had DAS and bought the paid option (G+ at the time). I’ve said it before, that I’m willing to pay to make our trip less stressful for all. We aren’t open o close park people anyway, so has worked for us to be able to hit rides for a few hours then take a break for hours.

No one knows anyone else’s situation. Some judge anyway. I wouldn’t give it a second thought.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No one knows anyone else’s situation. Some judge anyway. I wouldn’t give it a second thought.

I know a guy who recently became a partial amputee and is currently relearning to walk. It’s been 5 months but there could be a permenant impairment.

My suspicion is that he would not buy lightning genie pass + (pretty sure about that) and also use the DAS accommodations…hypothetically.

You want me to ask him?

And I bet he’d even still go all the way to the old style fast pass kiosks to get his paper ticket for mine train or soarin now…if they still had them. Just might take a little longer…

 

[Angel Ariel]

The part that seems consistently overlooked is the impact of the disability.

It took us 25 minutes to get out the door today for what was a 10 minute appointment. A neurotypical family with a child our kid's age would be out the door in 5, maybe 10 mins. Basically everything takes at least twice as long for us, on a good day. The only area at Disney where we're accessing things in an equivalent amount of time to neurotypical guests is the attraction itself (once we're actually in line).

We've never gotten LL in conjunction with DAS because of this..making the strict return windows for LL is incredibly challenging and makes everything much more stressful. Especially now that it's back to having to book times before you're even in the park (even with DAS preselects, the only ones that ever worked for us were the ones we could book for first thing in the morning, because after that we just never made it there on time).

I realize there are those with DAS who are not this impacted, I'm just trying to keep some perspective on the very wide spectrum of what DAS does for people.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

making the strict return windows for LL is incredibly challenging and makes everything much more stressful.

Disney’s LL return times now have a 2 hour buffer, 3 hours total. I tested this on our last trip after it was reported by several WDW news outlets / bloggers. Possible they made this change in part because of the DAS changes.

 

[peter11435]

Disney’s LL return times now have a 2 hour buffer, 3 hours total. I tested this on our last trip after it was reported by several WDW news outlets / bloggers. Possible they made this change in part because of the DAS changes.

This is not accurate