New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[jennab55]

I don't think many people would consider that an equal accommodation by any means, but it brings up how the changes to Fastpass may be a factor.

Three free fasptasses, booked in advance, was probably enough to:

a) reduce the desire to lie in order to get DAS.
b) meet the needs of people with a more moderate disability.

That system generally allowed one to be guaranteed to bypass one or two significant wait times, and bypass some additional moderate wait times. I imagine that would be sufficient for someone who struggles with wait times but is fine with some waiting in line.

Yes but the question then comes down to, why wouldn’t G+ have also worked for those people and the main answer that comes to mind is the cost factor. People didn’t want to have to pay.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yes but the question then comes down to, why wouldn’t G+ have also worked for those people and the main answer that comes to mind is the cost factor. People didn’t want to have to pay.

It does work for many / most - has that been debated?

 

[jennab55]

It does work for many / most - has that been debated?

What do you mean? FP or G+ didn’t work?

 

[Ravenclaw78]

Yeah I do think those 2 pre-selects for pre-registering DAS backfired on Disney. No one else could get pre-selects anymore.

Good point, I forgot about that. I would have dropped that as well unless Genie+ had launched with pre-selects like it should have.

 

[Splash4eva]

Yeah I do think those 2 pre-selects for pre-registering DAS backfired on Disney. No one else could get pre-selects anymore.

It was moronic on their part… i get the “incentive” but simply should have said going forward DAS needs to be done prior to coming

 

[jennab55]

It was moronic on their part… i get the “incentive” but simply should have said going forward DAS needs to be done prior to coming

I would have happily registered online a head of time for nothing. Better than waiting in GS like in the parks or before entering the park!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

What do you mean? FP or G+ didn’t work?

G+ will work for many / most with disabilities who can’t wait in long lines.

But if it’s an accommodation required by law (up for debate) then Disney can’t charge for it.

 

[jennab55]

G+ will work for many / most with disabilities who can’t wait in long lines.

But if it’s an accommodation required by law (up for debate) then Disney can’t charge for it.

How does Disney charge for wheelchairs that people need to access the park?

Disney has other accommodations for waiting in queues, people just don’t like them. At that point it’s deciding whether to pay for G+ or not I suppose.

 

[Angel Ariel]

How does Disney charge for wheelchairs that people need to access the park?

Disney has other accommodations for waiting in queues, people just don’t like them. At that point it’s deciding whether to pay for G+ or not I suppose.

It's my understanding that Personal equipment accommodations such as a wheelchair or ECV are covered differently under the ADA, so its not a like comparison to compare that to genie+, which is not a personal equipment accommodation.

 

[jennab55]

It's my understanding that Personal equipment accommodations such as a wheelchair or ECV are covered differently under the ADA, so its not a like comparison to compare that to genie+, which is not a personal equipment accommodation.

Thanks! I honestly wondered how they worked as far as wheelchairs and other mobility devices.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Disney has other accommodations for waiting in queues, people just don’t like them.

There are some questions on how those accommodations should and will work - I don’t think it’s fair to say “people just don’t like them”

There have been some strange reports of CM’s suggesting wheelchairs for the blind, asking families with minor children to separate, etc.

There is also the question on how physically disabled guests can safely exit a line going backwards without potentially injuring themselves or other guests. many lines are pretty narrow and involve slopes, themed flooring, dark lighting etc.

 

[Tigger&Pooh]

How does Disney charge for wheelchairs that people need to access the park?

The actual accommodation is accessible queues. What mobility device an individual opts to use (or not) in the accessible queue is up to them. Personal equipment (wheelchair, braces, crutches, glasses, hearing aids, etc.) are an individual's responsibility.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

This makes a huge assumption that those with significant developmental and neurological disorders have that agency and independence as an adult. For many with these diagnoses, the intensity of need stays the same - or increases - as they age.

I don't think he made any assumptions, he was very clear to say in his example it was developmentally impaired adults that have agency. I am pretty sure we all know there are adults that need caretakers and would of course be encompassed in the new guidelines.

 

[jennab55]

There are some questions on how those accommodations should and will work - I don’t think it’s fair to say “people just don’t like them”

There have been some strange reports of CM’s suggesting wheelchairs for the blind, asking families with minor children to separate, etc.

There is also the question on how physically disabled guests can safely exit a line going backwards without potentially injuring themselves or other guests. many lines are pretty narrow and involve slopes, themed flooring, dark lighting etc.

Yes, there will always be questions but a LOT of people decided right away that these alternative accommodations will not work for them without even trying them first…

As far as some of the comments on fb pages, it’s hard to know if someone was truly told that. Just like one person said the CM said they are ONLY accepting people with “autism” but then other say they haven’t been told that at all or the CM said “autism or like developmental disability needs”. Sometimes I think people hear what helps their cause, not what was actually stated.

 

[Tigger&Pooh]

There have been some strange reports of CM’s suggesting wheelchairs for the blind, asking families with minor children to separate, etc.

I take those reports with a grain of salt due to all the negativity on social media. Yes there have been a few situations where the CM had a big miss (like the visually-impaired woman told to rent an ECV), but I have not seen a single report where such error wasn't corrected with a second contact to the Accessibility Team.

 

[jennab55]

I take those reports with a grain of salt due to all the negativity on social media. Yes there have been a few situations where the CM had a big miss (like the visually-impaired woman told to rent an ECV), but I have not seen a single report where such error wasn't corrected with a second contact to the Accessibility Team.

I honestly wonder if that lady was really told that…. It seems others just feed off each others negativity on the fb groups. That and people assume what the CM meant instead of what the CM actually said.

 

[Splash4eva]

I would have happily registered online a head of time for nothing. Better than waiting in GS like in the parks or before entering the park!

Exactly!!! And if you really wanted an incentive could have easily gave 1 and people would have been just as happy…. As much as people are jerks Disney has themselves to blame just as much for what happened.

 

[Chi84]

IBS did not meet the requirements in the policy to begin with, so no changes in posted policy would have been needed. Just a change in internal policy or training.

So you didn’t mean that Disney should limit those eligible to a smaller set of people.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So you didn’t mean that Disney should limit those eligible to a smaller set of people.

I’m not sure what you are getting at - the concept is very clear - be more restrictive than before, not quite as restrictive as now.

Exactly where the line drawn isn’t clear, but it seems overly restrictive right now to some of us.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I don't think he made any assumptions, he was very clear to say in his example it was developmentally impaired adults that have agency. I am pretty sure we all know there are adults that need caretakers and would of course be encompassed in the new guidelines.

the bolded can also be developmentally impaired adults (ie - the italicized also applies to the bolded, they aren't necessarily separate)

Developmental impairments include cognitive impairments, and cognitive impairment doesn't always mean a person has developmental impairments. Neurological impairments can also be developmental and/or cognitive, but also can be neither.

I'm not trying to be pedantic here, but the language used to label and discuss disabilities matters.