Vacationeer
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Surferboy567
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Just saw this, I’m baffled she got denied.
flynnibus
Premium Member
She got offered return to line... she didn't cover what she would get if solo...
MagicHappens1971
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I was offered return to queue as a solo person and they told me to take a picture of where I’m standing….. they also said it varies and to ask the attractions cast.
-She goes every week
-Brings a large group (self admission)
-Is an adult
-Does not have a cognitive disability
Unfortunately she fits the category where there are a lot of liars and you either set a hard line or let the camel stick his nose in. Disney is not at fault for this, it’s entirely due to the donkey holes that abused the curtosey. This is an example of a person hurt by their carelessness.
TrainsOfDisney
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Why? It’s exactly what Disney said they were going to do, and what many of us said was going to happen.
There are members who are backing Disney up and saying she doesn’t deserve DAS - not sure how anyone can say that but it’s a crazy world.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Wow.. can I get "processes that will never be consistent or reliable" for $1000 Alex...
ConfettiCupcake
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Disney has never said this change was made in an attempt to weed out who has a real disability and who doesn’t. She doesn’t share her needs with us (nor should she if she doesn’t want to), so we have no way of knowing if denying this person DAS was out of line or not. She does seem to accept that she doesn’t fit the qualifications for DAS anymore and that isn’t her focus of the video.
She suggests a purchase option for disabled guests where you pay one time and it provides it for larger time period. Genie+ does add up like crazy if you use it as often as she goes. Her group has obviously been insulated from that reality for quite some time, but that’s a dilemma local APs have faced since inception of Genie. She seems to admit Genie+ is a workable option for her party if they don’t want to use AQR, but finds it to be too expensive. Join the club.
I’m sorry if this comes off as cold and bothers people. They are effectively mainstreaming many people who are outwardly disabled by design not by accident. She brings up the expense of Genie+ on top of her medical expenses, and I sympathize, but Disney is an unrealistic financial stretch for so so SO many people. That is a massive can of worms to open.
She suggests a purchase option for disabled guests where you pay one time and it provides it for larger time period. Genie+ does add up like crazy if you use it as often as she goes. Her group has obviously been insulated from that reality for quite some time, but that’s a dilemma local APs have faced since inception of Genie. She seems to admit Genie+ is a workable option for her party if they don’t want to use AQR, but finds it to be too expensive. Join the club.
I’m sorry if this comes off as cold and bothers people. They are effectively mainstreaming many people who are outwardly disabled by design not by accident. She brings up the expense of Genie+ on top of her medical expenses, and I sympathize, but Disney is an unrealistic financial stretch for so so SO many people. That is a massive can of worms to open.
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TrainsOfDisney
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I know it wasn’t included in all AP’s but my premier passport included fast pass max or whatever the upcharge was for free.
Not sure why genie+ Isn’t included in some of the passes to begin with.
I won’t use TT so I’m relying on reports here for details but the DAS system does not have capacity for everyone who is in any way disabled to attend Disney parks weekly with several of their friends and allow all of them to skip physical lines each time. It was designed for people who cannot handle waits at all and stopped working for many of them as LLs became jammed up with overuse. We can have sympathy for each person who is no longer able to use the superior system they were used to, but AQR is a good solution for people who travel in a group of adults… was she even willing to try it?
flynnibus
Premium Member
Yes, but her argument really doesn't hold up. She should get a G+ annual plan based on what? Because she goes alot? So why shouldn't all APs be entitled to that same perk? She doesn't correlate her disability need with a G+ need... just that she goes a lot.
Surferboy567
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I totally agree that the system was being abused. Had to be curbed no ways around it.
That being said, there are probably better ways than this. I admit though, I don’t know what those ways are.
Club Cooloholic
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I would be curious what the rate of being turned down on is for people that ask and have with them just a companion or their family with small kids, vs those that come with a large group with cousins, aunts uncles and friends.
ConfettiCupcake
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100%. I sympathize with it being an absolute sticker shock moment, but she doesn’t ever address in her video why the AQR accommodation won’t work (and she might just not want to share that kind of info, which is fair), just how expensive Genie+ is and how fast it adds up.
ConfettiCupcake
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I’d guess the difference is that Maxpass was a paid upgrade to use the free paper system digitally (IIRC), but Genie+ is an entirely paywalled system that they want APs to either pay to use or not eat up capacity.
TrainsOfDisney
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My question would also be, are other members of her party allowed to wait with her? Meaning the party can split up, some wait with her, some wait in the line, or is she the only one that has to wait alone?
Cause that gets into unfair treatment - a guest without disabilities can wait with members of the group.
Cause that gets into unfair treatment - a guest without disabilities can wait with members of the group.
ConfettiCupcake
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She just says she was provided the option to meet up with her party in line if she had a party with her (which as we know is AQR). But from what we know about AQR so far, that should include at least one member of her party if she lets them know she needs a caregiver and there’s enough adults. She quotes Genie+ as $400 a month for her party with weekly visits, I think. So I’m assuming they’re 4 people, but she never says.
I agree if she was told no and logistically it works with her group, that would be the issue to address.
I also just want to say I don’t think she needs to give details about her party or her disability or anything else to placate people online, just pointing out what we know and don’t know.
TrainsOfDisney
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Incorrect. She shouldn’t need a caregiver in order to wait with members of her party the same way a non-disabled guest would be able to enjoy the park.
ConfettiCupcake
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True I guess I should have worded that better, as I think even if there are not enough adults to leave behind they will have some sort of solution with AQR if the person exiting needs a caregiver.
It’s hard with this TikTok because it doesn’t sound like she actually tried anything after the application, and we all know this is as clear as mud but especially for those who haven’t spoken to any attraction CMs yet.
flynnibus
Premium Member
This isn't a standard Disney is held to. The standard is to provide for a caregiver - not your whole party. This is why handicap seating at a theatre etc comes with 1-2 seats -- not 5-6 per handicap seat.
Disney as a courtesy in the past has allows your party to stay with you up to a limit. But they aren't obligated to accomodate your whole party under some equity ideal.