They may have to allow them ride together, but I doubt they have to allow them to wait together.
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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TrainsOfDisney
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If by “they” you mean the entire party, no. If you mean a companion, I believe yes. A disabled guest should not have to wait alone, because they are disabled when other guests are able to spend the day with companions.
I mean the entire party.
DoubleSwitchback
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If we have to treat the line as the attraction, we may be stretching for reasons to criticize Disney 
Chi84
Premium Member
I was just about to say this.If we have to treat the line as the attraction, we may be stretching for reasons to criticize Disney
Chi84
Premium Member
Of course we’re not talking about the entire day; just time waiting in line.
If the person needs an aide, then obviously they shouldn’t have to wait alone. But I don’t see any issue in having one person standing in line with the person who is unable to do so meeting them at the merge point.
If the disabled person would just rather have someone to keep them company in line, it goes from a necessary accommodation to a preference. In that case, the paid system is available.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
I disagree, but you could have guessed that.
Based on policy this guest should have been entitled to AQR or rider swap if traveling with a group or RTQ if solo. In both cases she could wait with a caregiver. This is a perfectly fair and adequate accommodation. At no point did she mention why these would't work for her.
I continue to feel that Disney's big blunder in this is keeping the DAS name in tact. They should have sent it to the land of Genie+ and GAC, while rolling out a new "Guest Assistance Program," which would encompass a number of options including Rider Swap, AQR and some other program that looks like DAS with some minor tweaks.
By keeping the DAS name it looks exclusionary. It should be "nobody has access to this toy you used to love" instead of "sorry we're taking this toy you love away from you and only giving to people who are really handicapped."
I continue to feel that Disney's big blunder in this is keeping the DAS name in tact. They should have sent it to the land of Genie+ and GAC, while rolling out a new "Guest Assistance Program," which would encompass a number of options including Rider Swap, AQR and some other program that looks like DAS with some minor tweaks.
By keeping the DAS name it looks exclusionary. It should be "nobody has access to this toy you used to love" instead of "sorry we're taking this toy you love away from you and only giving to people who are really handicapped."
Except normal people have to split up all the time, when one of their member is unable (usually due to height) or unwilling to ride a ride together. Therefore the standard is splitting up is ok.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Well the only time they would have to is due to height - otherwise they have the option of waiting in the line together.
In that scenario, families get to decide how they split up. So that should be the same for all guests, if they want to split up and some wait in the line and some wait outside of the line for the return, great.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Choosing to split up is different than being told to split up. Disney also has long had Child Swap to allow people to stay somewhat together when the reason was safety and now can be anything.
Chi84
Premium Member
Accommodating a person who is unable to wait in line by letting that person wait elsewhere and then join their party is not segregation or exclusion. It’s an accommodation.
Disabled persons are not required to accept an accommodation. If they choose to use a restroom, theater seating or hotel room that is not designated as accessible they can do so. If they choose not to accept the accommodation of waiting elsewhere, they are not required to do so.
Club Cooloholic
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That standard was developed to give disabled people access. And honestly with those with physical limitations in mind. The lines are wider now, with ramps and no stairs to accommodate... physically disabled that need wheelchairs, so they are not segregated. If the person and all their family leave the line for DAS...well then a segregation has occured.
Splash4eva
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I received a survey today in regards to potentially being part of a 90 minute online discussion. 7/9-7/11. One question was about DAS. After completing the survey. They said i wasnt what they were looking for & was denied. Another way Disney can sway these in a way they want too
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Again, these types of facilities cannot be segregated. You can’t have a group restroom with a wheelchair accessible stall, even if there is a wheelchair accessible restroom right outside. You cannot have the wheelchair accessible section in a theater. You cannot group all of the different accessible hotel rooms in one part of a hotel.
Forcing a person to be alone is a separation. That’s why venues have to have companion seats, so that a disabled person isn’t forced to be alone. That companion doesn’t have to be a caregiver, it can just be a friend.
I am not trying to argue with your general point, but I do not think these situations are comparable to waiting in a line. For the three things you describe, the disabled person is not segregated while doing the essential activity--- they are at the theater to watch the movie, they are at hotel to stay in a room, they are at the restroom to use it. They should be able to be accomodated with these in a non-segregated way. The line situation is the opposite-- the disabled person is being accommodated by avoiding an undesirable activity in order to do a desired activity. They are not segregated when doing the essential activity-- going on the ride.
Again, I do not disagree with your general point, but I don't think that these comparisons are relevant. I could be wrong though.
Angel Ariel
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I think this was the point that someone was trying to make earlier that was missed. A person with a disability using AQR should be able to have a companion - regardless of whether or not that person provides care to the disabled person. Caregivers and companions are different things.
(And perhaps they can - but the wording I've seen consistently is caregiver, and that does mean something specific to people with disabilities).
Chi84
Premium Member
But no one is forcing anything. Disney is offering an accommodation to skip standing in line.
Disney is not forcing disabled people to ride in separate cars or sit in separate sections in theaters. Everyone is allowed to experience the attractions together.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Visiting the theme park, as a whole, is part of the experience.
You can’t possibly believe it’s right to tell a disabled person they have to wait alone outside of the attraction?
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Yes they are. It’s either receive the accommodation and be alone or don’t. There is an underlying philosophy that you don’t isolate people being accommodated.