New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

Angel Ariel

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They adapt it.

The person who can’t wait in line waits with a carer, then when the first group comes off the ride the two go through the LL line.
If that's the policy for how rider switch works for disabled guests, then Disney should be making that clear in their policies on their site.

Disneyland's site had actually had such language for disabled guests until recently - they removed it to match WDW's wording. So that contributes to the indication that Disney does intend for their to be a nonrider.
 

Joel

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LLs frequently backing up, which in turn brings the standby line to a standstill, and the frustration that causes for everyone involved even when no one is being visibly or verbally unpleasant. CMs having to deal with confrontations between guests when someone has to push their way back through the standby line to rejoin their family after a bathroom emergency because there isn't a better, publicized way to do so.
 

NotTheOne

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Well no, Disney determines who has the “right” to be in the LLs. Maybe you mean “should”have the right?
What I mean is that Disney could say "No more DAS, other accommodations will be offered", and limit the LLs to paying customers only.

I don't imagine them ever doing that, but so long as they are accommodating needs via other means, they could if they wanted to.

Much harder to deny access to paying guests (other than for attractions that "sell out", for lack of a better term).
 

DisneyHead123

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I'm far less worried about people's ability to cheat now than I used to be, especially considering how many people in various online Disney communities -- who are significantly more informed than the average guest -- still think DAS is diagnosis-based.

All the "Everyone will just say they have autism now. Checkmate, Disney!" comments when this change was first announced turned out to not be nearly as clever as people thought they were.
I think the problem is that if they were clear and consistent, they would indeed open the door for cheaters again. Right now they’re deterring them by being confusing, inconsistent, and unreliable. That may work to deter cheaters, but it means providing that same unreliable service to non-cheaters (both disabled guests or park goers who have an occasional situation like a bathroom emergency.) Not a good long term strategy for a theme park that has built a following based on customer service.

I don’t know what the answer is. Moving to documentation eventually seems like it may be a necessity. Not a perfect solution by any stretch of the imagination, but it would be a step at least.
 

Chi84

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I think the problem is that if they were clear and consistent, they would indeed open the door for cheaters again. Right now they’re deterring them by being confusing, inconsistent, and unreliable. That may work to deter cheaters, but it means providing that same unreliable service to non-cheaters (both disabled guests or park goers who have an occasional situation like a bathroom emergency.) Not a good long term strategy for a theme park that has built a following based on customer service.

I don’t know what the answer is. Moving to documentation eventually seems like it may be a necessity. Not a perfect solution by any stretch of the imagination, but it would be a step at least.
What would the document verify?
 

NotTheOne

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I think the problem is that if they were clear and consistent, they would indeed open the door for cheaters again. Right now they’re deterring them by being confusing, inconsistent, and unreliable. That may work to deter cheaters, but it means providing that same unreliable service to non-cheaters (both disabled guests or park goers who have an occasional situation like a bathroom emergency.) Not a good long term strategy for a theme park that has built a following based on customer service.

I don’t know what the answer is. Moving to documentation eventually seems like it may be a necessity. Not a perfect solution by any stretch of the imagination, but it would be a step at least.
There are obviously some CM training issues that still need to be addressed, which is leading to the inconsistencies we hear about. But I don't necessarily agree that not publicly detailing accommodations that really can't be publicly released, because there are too many variables, equates to providing unreliable service when guests are actually at the park.
 

DisneyHead123

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There are obviously some CM training issues that still need to be addressed, which is leading to the inconsistencies we hear about. But I don't necessarily agree that not publicly detailing accommodations that really can't be publicly released, because there are too many variables, equates to providing unreliable service when guests are actually at the park.
I don’t think it matters if they’re public or not, if they’re consistent people will piece them together. If they’re so inconsistent that you couldn’t possibly piece together the underlying pattern, then that’s just crappy customer service for people with actual disabilities. I just don’t see a way around that.
 

DisneyHead123

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I don't know how anyone can possibly judge from the outside whether they're being consistent or not. People with the same condition getting different results isn't proof of that.
I’m talking more about AQR and RTQ, which were supposed to be the alternate accommodations for those denied DAS.
 

Figgy1

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What I mean is that Disney could say "No more DAS, other accommodations will be offered", and limit the LLs to paying customers only.

I don't imagine them ever doing that, but so long as they are accommodating needs via other means, they could if they wanted to.

Much harder to deny access to paying guests (other than for attractions that "sell out", for lack of a better term).
Out of curiosity what do you propose for those that still qualify,
 

ConfettiCupcake

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I think the problem is that if they were clear and consistent, they would indeed open the door for cheaters again. Right now they’re deterring them by being confusing, inconsistent, and unreliable. That may work to deter cheaters, but it means providing that same unreliable service to non-cheaters (both disabled guests or park goers who have an occasional situation like a bathroom emergency.) Not a good long term strategy for a theme park that has built a following based on customer service.

I don’t know what the answer is. Moving to documentation eventually seems like it may be a necessity. Not a perfect solution by any stretch of the imagination, but it would be a step at least.

To me it seems like the only parts that aren’t really clear is exactly what needs Disney will grant DAS for without question - which nobody really needs to know provided they are being honest about the need they’re applying for, and how each specific situation will be handled at each specific attraction - however I suspect this will never quite be standard due to changing factors like crowds, guest situation, and even CMs granting a little pixie dust.

Documentation doesn’t seem to solve what they’re trying to do here. They are moving people with legitimate and documented medical issues off of DAS, and AQR is already available to everyone.
 
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NotTheOne

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A need for a particular accommodation. Most likely from a doctor, or maybe certain therapists.
Ripe for abuse, both because it's easy to fake a doctor's note and because there are too many doctors who will just give the patient what they want, whether they really need the specific accommodation or not.

Plus, that doesn't necessarily mean (not sure if this is where you were going) that the guest would still need a DAS. A doctor could legit write a note saying that the guest can't wait in a line longer than 15 minutes. Well, there are other accommodations for that.
 

Club Cooloholic

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I'll play devil's advocate here.

photomatt is unnecessarily combative, I agree.

However, his idea would actually allow Disney to continue to accommodate a wider range of disabilities through DAS. They would have to conduct DAS interviews farther in advance, for sure. But if they limited the number of DAS passes per day they could accommodate more disabilities, people would just have to plan ahead.
I think limiting the amount of DAS accomodations that provide LL is not a crazy thought. It would allow for the program to continue to operate but would limit the use so that Disney could make their LL sales and keep the customers buying Genie Plus happier(because nobody is happy they had to buy it in the first place). I don't see how this is all that different from when someone who needs accessible seats at a concert goes to get them. There is a limited amount of them, and the customers need to make sure they plan ahead as early as possible to secure them. Now this only works if there is still screening in place to cut down on "cheaters". Is it a perfect system? No, but nothing seems to be.
 

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