Mem11
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I agree, but anybody that tried to get one in the parks after 5/20 is being effected. So the new rules are in effect for some before 6/20. That was my only point.
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Angel Ariel
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Guest relations now gives people iPads to do the video call from the park rather than have the GR CM do it.
Keep in mind international travelers often have no choice but to get it upon arrival as they are blocked from the pre vosit registration website - so it's not that the process can't be done once you're onsite - I can, they just have the parks set up to also send you to the video call. At Disneyland it's going to be one of the old ticket windows in the esplanade.
Splash4eva
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Anyone who is there now & needed DAS are under the old rules None are expiring so any numbers regarding wait times have Zero to do with any new rules for DAS…
Mem11
Active Member
Not if they tried to get one after they arrived after 5/20.
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RamblinWreck
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Anyone with an AP could have theoretically extended a DAS pass to mid July.
For AP holders registering under the old rules as May 20 approached, you could register 30 days prior to the start of your trip and the pass was good for 30 days (starting from the start of that trip).
I personally know someone who has one that doesn’t expire until July 3.
Splash4eva
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Again anyone with a trip planned had to be well aware of the new rules and again were grandfathered in under the old rules…
RamblinWreck
Well-Known Member
That’s not quite true.
Many people were used to registering at a blue umbrella upon arrival.
Surely we have lost many of those.
DoubleSwitchback
Well-Known Member
You would be surprised how many vacationers find out about DAS close to their trip. I am trying to help a lady now who just found out three days before her trip.
(I agree that wait times don't have a lot to do with DAS, but for other reasons.)
Mem11
Active Member
Not everyone reads these forums and not everyone who wants or needed a DAS knew to get one before they got to the parks after 5/20.
Angel Ariel
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Why? You can still register on site, guest relations CMs just direct you to iPads to connect to the video call to do so rather than doing it themselves. Haven't heard any reports of crazy onsite waits for the call to go through.
Sorry, but I don't think the AP holders are typically the super users. Most AP holder experiences I read about go on a couple rides and get a bite to eat. They are very inefficient at touring the parks. Yes, you might have some, but it's more a personality (I have that personality of wanting to optimize), not a ticket type.
If you read some of @lentesta on other threads, it seems more that DAS use has TRIPLED in the last 5 years, and is way above national averages of disabilities. Yes, they have been flexible in the past, so the rise is much less abusers, but more legitimate needs that can be accommodated in other ways or that are sporadic, for which they now suggest return to the queue. Basically, Disney sees this as 2/3 of DAS users got by fine with the free system, but now they don't want to pay. Disney wants to increase their revenue, so they want those who got by before on the free system to use the paid system, just like mobility issues haven't gotten you a DAS in the past. They just told you to rent a wheelchair or scooter and pay $10-50/day for it. As a user, I know- I haven't ever gotten a DAS for mobility, and almost all regular queues are wheelchair friendly, so the comment that only LL are is false. The few rides that don't have ADA general lines have crazy long waits for wheelchairs- longer than standby often (Here's looking at you, Big Ball- and I wasted a fastpass learning I couldn't use one of my 3 pastpasses for it and instead had to wait an hour at the exit). Genie+ is less than a scooter rental.
In addition, there is abuse of DAS in that a way higher percentage of DAS users are using the LL line for the most popular attractions than they have DAS users and company. That means these people are repeat riding the best attractions over and over. While there may be some DAS users that could handle this and might like it, the likelihood of a child (or adult) who has serious issues in lines repeating headliners constantly is probably much lower.
Disney's approach right now is probably what is right for them. They want to wean most people off of DAS and get them on their paid system to level the playing field with other guests and increase revenue. They don't have to offer free accommodations, just like they don't have to offer free scooters. It just was nice that they did for so long for so many people and made their vacations much more magical and manageable.
Also, I wouldn't push for RTQ passes. I read something from a past employee that said that Disney now considers those money, and they are not wanting CMs to pass them out. Disney is limiting RTQ vouchers as a comp for any issue. Instead, expect the CM to offer to have you reconnect with your party through the fastpass line for an emergency or get scanned for rider switch, which would not get the CM tracked and audited by Disney.
If you read some of @lentesta on other threads, it seems more that DAS use has TRIPLED in the last 5 years, and is way above national averages of disabilities. Yes, they have been flexible in the past, so the rise is much less abusers, but more legitimate needs that can be accommodated in other ways or that are sporadic, for which they now suggest return to the queue. Basically, Disney sees this as 2/3 of DAS users got by fine with the free system, but now they don't want to pay. Disney wants to increase their revenue, so they want those who got by before on the free system to use the paid system, just like mobility issues haven't gotten you a DAS in the past. They just told you to rent a wheelchair or scooter and pay $10-50/day for it. As a user, I know- I haven't ever gotten a DAS for mobility, and almost all regular queues are wheelchair friendly, so the comment that only LL are is false. The few rides that don't have ADA general lines have crazy long waits for wheelchairs- longer than standby often (Here's looking at you, Big Ball- and I wasted a fastpass learning I couldn't use one of my 3 pastpasses for it and instead had to wait an hour at the exit). Genie+ is less than a scooter rental.
In addition, there is abuse of DAS in that a way higher percentage of DAS users are using the LL line for the most popular attractions than they have DAS users and company. That means these people are repeat riding the best attractions over and over. While there may be some DAS users that could handle this and might like it, the likelihood of a child (or adult) who has serious issues in lines repeating headliners constantly is probably much lower.
Disney's approach right now is probably what is right for them. They want to wean most people off of DAS and get them on their paid system to level the playing field with other guests and increase revenue. They don't have to offer free accommodations, just like they don't have to offer free scooters. It just was nice that they did for so long for so many people and made their vacations much more magical and manageable.
Also, I wouldn't push for RTQ passes. I read something from a past employee that said that Disney now considers those money, and they are not wanting CMs to pass them out. Disney is limiting RTQ vouchers as a comp for any issue. Instead, expect the CM to offer to have you reconnect with your party through the fastpass line for an emergency or get scanned for rider switch, which would not get the CM tracked and audited by Disney.
TrainsOfDisney
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You lost me on this… trying to understand what you are saying here
I am not sure if this is what the post meant exactly, but I think it is something like this: AP holders will not buy Genie+ every visit but would use FP+ every visit. They don't "need" a line skipping service because they have already been on every ride and have other chances to ride everything they want. A once every five years visitor will buy Genie+ for their four day trip, and they "do" need it so that they can ride the headliners. So, Genie+ benefits this second group of visitors more than free FP+ because they don't have to compete with as many of the first type of visitors (AP holders).
TrainsOfDisney
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Well if Disney charged passholders for FP access and not day guests that would be a different discussion.
DisneyHead123
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I think you misread that part, it’s way under, not way over. About 8% of park guests use DAS, disability rates (in aggregate, not for specific disabilities where it will vary) are much higher.
ditzee
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Maybe I was not looking in the right places but for the heck of it, I looked for blue umbrellas on our trip week before last and did not see one in any of the parks.
nickys
Premium Member
DAS is valid for the length of stay. If you apply 30 days before Day 1 and you have a 10 or 14 night visit, your DAS will be valid until the last day your ticket is valid for.
nickys
Premium Member
What about an adult who needs support but there are children in the party?
Or anyone who needs more than one person to support?
Or a solo parent with a child with DAS plus others?
They never did.
nickys
Premium Member
A guest whose vacation starts on June 18th may have applied on May 19th. They could have a 10 or 14 day ticket, valid for up to 18 days. They will be under the old rules.
Some people are reporting that they are still being offered pre-selects under the new system.
Chi84
Premium Member
Those are special circumstances that should be considered on an individual basis.