New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[CampbellzSoup]

13% of those and their whole party.

 

[C33Mom]

Let me get more data. That's a secondary attraction, and it's one measurement.

Don’t most of the savviest/heaviest capacity users of the old DAS system likely still have an another few weeks?

 

[DoubleSwitchback]

Don’t most of the savviest/heaviest capacity users of the old DAS system likely still have an other few weeks?

Almost certainly

 

[Touchdown]

First dead Monday in awhile. Some of this is heat but I think some of it is DAS

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Don’t most of the savviest/heaviest capacity users of the old DAS system likely still have an other few weeks?

Yes, I'd bet many of the real DAS superusers / AP holders were savvy enough to wait till the last possible second to renew so as to have it for as long as possible.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

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First dead Monday in awhile. Some of this is heat but I think some of it is DAS

This is great news. Not to give you more work, but something else that would be really interesting to track is genie+ return times for headliners: How far out they are booking and how early in the day they are selling out. As fewer DAS powerabusers tie up the lightning lanes that theoretically opens more capacity for Disney to allocate to genie+ reservations within the LL. I'd be curious to see if they start doing that.

Just eyeballing it right now, the following attractions are still available for LL at 1:45 pm that often sell out quite early):

HS:
1. MMRR
2. MFSR
3. Tower of Terror
(only SDD is sold out)

MK:
1. Jungle Cruise;
2. Peter Pan's Flight
3. Space Mountain;
4. Meet Mickey
(Nothing is sold out)

Animal Kingdom:
1. Na'vi River Journey;
2. Kilimanjaro Safaris
3. Expedition Everest
(Nothing is sold out)

The only park with sell-outs is Epcot, and it looks like some of that is due to a lot of ride downtime (Test Track is down right now, others were down throughout the day for extended periods).

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

This is great news. Not to give you more work, but something else that would be really interesting to track is genie+ return times for headliners: How far out they are booking and how early in the day they are selling out. As fewer DAS powerabusers tie up the lightning lanes that theoretically opens more capacity for Disney to allocate to genie+ reservations within the LL. I'd be curious to see if they start doing that.

Just eyeballing it right now, the following attractions are still available for LL at 1:45 pm that often sell out quite early):

HS:
1. MMRR
2. MFSR
3. Tower of Terror
(only SDD is sold out)

MK:
1. Jungle Cruise;
2. Peter Pan's Flight
3. Space Mountain;
4. Meet Mickey
(Nothing is sold out)

Animal Kingdom:
1. Na'vi River Journey;
2. Kilimanjaro Safaris
3. Expedition Everest
(Nothing is sold out)

The only park with sell-outs is Epcot, and it looks like some of that is due to a lot of ride downtime (Test Track is down right now, others were down throughout the day for extended periods).

Yes, the LL availability is what I think is going to be most telling. That and the LL wait times. I’m very curious to see if there’s an overall improvement there.

Despite the least flattering ways to view the DAS change, I am still of the believe they are attempting to increase guest satisfaction - particularly by making Genie a less frustrating and divisive product so people actually want to buy it (like Universals) vs begrudgingly buying it.

 

[KrzyKtty]

If RTQ is supposed to be it's own thing, separate from AQR, any ideas why it isn't listed on their website with AQR?

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/accessing-attractions-queues/

It's worth mentioning when googling it, an explanation separate from AQR isn't found anywhere. Most disney news websites are basically calling AQR RTQ instead. So I can understand the massive confusion regarding the two.

 

[lentesta]

Don’t most of the savviest/heaviest capacity users of the old DAS system likely still have an another few weeks?

Yep.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

If RTQ is supposed to be it's own thing, separate from AQR, any ideas why it isn't listed on their website with AQR?

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/accessing-attractions-queues/

It's worth mentioning when googling it, an explanation separate from AQR isn't found anywhere. Most disney news websites are basically calling AQR RTQ instead. So I can understand the massive confusion regarding the two.

Just my personal opinion not confirmed or anything, but I’m under the impression RTQ isnt really supposed to be an accommodation for the guests to understand or request. It sounds like an internal process when AQR doesn’t work for a guest, and it’s confusing because it wasn’t intended to be a public term.

I think it got out from a CM sharing info.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Just my personal opinion not confirmed or anything, but I’m under the impression RTQ isnt really supposed to be an accommodation for the guests to understand or request. It sounds like an internal process when AQR doesn’t work for a guest, and it’s confusing because it wasn’t intended to be a public term.

I think it got out from a CM sharing info.

Honestly, Disney needs to clarify AQR a bit, because the fear mongering around it is simply from a lack of information.

 

[Chi84]

If RTQ is supposed to be it's own thing, separate from AQR, any ideas why it isn't listed on their website with AQR?

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/accessing-attractions-queues/

It's worth mentioning when googling it, an explanation separate from AQR isn't found anywhere. Most disney news websites are basically calling AQR RTQ instead. So I can understand the massive confusion regarding the two.

I’m getting the sense from other sites that RTQ is what they provide if there aren’t enough people in the party to hold a place in line. Not at all sure though.

 

[C33Mom]

Honestly, Disney needs to clarify AQR a bit, because the fear mongering around it is simply from a lack of information.

I think they don’t want to publicize the AQR process because they don’t want people to use it as a “hack” unless they actually need it. Of course it will start to trickle out on message boards and blogs, but I think their goal is to increase friction to reduce AQR use to the people who really can’t ride without it as much as possible.

 

[flynnibus]

This is great news. Not to give you more work, but something else that would be really interesting to track is genie+ return times for headliners: How far out they are booking and how early in the day they are selling out.

thrilldata does all this availability tracking already...

the data is already there in manipulatable form... we don't need single snapshots of random to jump from.

 

[KrzyKtty]

I think they don’t want to publicize the AQR process because they don’t want people to use it as a “hack” unless they actually need it. Of course it will start to trickle out on message boards and blogs, but I think their goal is to increase friction to reduce AQR use to the people who really can’t ride without it as much as possible.

But it is publicized on their website. The one that isn't is RTQ. That verbage is never mentioned anywhere.

 

[C33Mom]

thrilldata does all this availability tracking already...

the data is already there in manipulatable form... we don't need single snapshots of random to jump from.

I glanced at thrill data’s list of when ride LLs sold out a few days after the official changeover and didn’t see a big difference or any discernible pattern. I would like to see people analyze that data for the most in demand G+ attractions — but I think it could get worse (ex-DAS users buying more G+) before it ultimately gets better (more LL inventory becomes available longer in the day and returns are faster)— the wildcard is when Disney starts adding more slots for paid LL returns.

 

[NotTheOne]

I glanced at thrill data’s list of when ride LLs sold out a few days after the official changeover and didn’t see a big difference or any discernible pattern. I would like to see people analyze that data for the most in demand G+ attractions — but I think it could get worse (ex-DAS users buying more G+) before it ultimately gets better (more LL inventory becomes available longer in the day and returns are faster)— the wildcard is when Disney starts adding more slots for paid LL returns.

The wildcard in LLs has always been the DAS...Disney could (and did) cap the number of Genie+ and ILLs being sold so that the line kept moving, but with DAS being handed out like candy, often for more than the 6 that Disney said they would limit it to, there was really no way to effectively manage LL capacity.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't see this as a money grab by Disney, and I don't think they're looking to sell more Genie+ - I think they finally recognized that a) people who buy Genie+ are unhappy about the long LLs, b) DAS became ineffective for many who needed it because of the long LLs, and c) standby guests were increasingly upset about the LLs were making the standby lines unbearable.

 

[Purduevian]

This is great news. Not to give you more work, but something else that would be really interesting to track is genie+ return times for headliners: How far out they are booking and how early in the day they are selling out. As fewer DAS powerabusers tie up the lightning lanes that theoretically opens more capacity for Disney to allocate to genie+ reservations within the LL. I'd be curious to see if they start doing that.

I glanced at thrill data’s list of when ride LLs sold out a few days after the official changeover and didn’t see a big difference or any discernible pattern. I would like to see people analyze that data for the most in demand G+ attractions — but I think it could get worse (ex-DAS users buying more G+) before it ultimately gets better (more LL inventory becomes available longer in the day and returns are faster)— the wildcard is when Disney starts adding more slots for paid LL returns.

I picked peter pan because why not...

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

The wildcard in LLs has always been the DAS...Disney could (and did) cap the number of Genie+ and ILLs being sold so that the line kept moving, but with DAS being handed out like candy, often for more than the 6 that Disney said they would limit it to, there was really no way to effectively manage LL capacity.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't see this as a money grab by Disney, and I don't think they're looking to sell more Genie+ - I think they finally recognized that a) people who buy Genie+ are unhappy about the long LLs, b) DAS became ineffective for many who needed it because of the long LLs, and c) standby guests were increasingly upset about the LLs were making the standby lines unbearable.

I’m in the minority with you. I don’t think it’s a direct money grab anymore than anything they do is, because after all their ultimate goal is to get us to fork over as much as possible. I think they know they’re walking a fine line here with Genie+ and people throwing in the towel and refusing to keep buying it. I don’t think this is at all about converting DAS users to Genie+ users, I think it’s guest satisfaction with Genie+ and to a lesser extent the overall queuing situation.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m in the minority with you. I don’t think it’s a direct money grab anymore than anything they do is, because after all their ultimate goal is to get us to fork over as much as possible. I think they know they’re walking a fine line here with Genie+ and people throwing in the towel and refusing to keep buying it. I don’t think this is at all about converting DAS users to Genie+ users, I think it’s guest satisfaction with Genie+ and to a lesser extent the overall queuing situation.

I think das has helped make genie an unpopular product AND they want to fix that just to sell more

Not mutually exclusive