New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Fido Chuckwagon]

You are still missing the point of the post though, people were using it as designed and as they were told to use it, we had no idea that was unsustainable.

When I moved to Las Vegas 20+ years ago everyone had grass yards and we watered them daily, when the drought started and we were asked to conserve water people started removing yards, watering less, etc. The water authority also uses a progressive fee structure so you pay more if you use excessive amounts. Vegas now uses less water with 2 million people than it used to use with 1 million people. When people are aware a problem exists, especially combined with a disincentive, they will modify behavior.

What you’re doing is essentially saying we were abusing the water system back in 2005 when we were using it exactly as we were being told to.

Had Disney let DAS users know there was a problem, especially if they’d combined that with a deterrent, we most likely could have fixed DAS also.

Watering your lawn and using a system designed to make rides accessible for people with a disability at times and in manners that aren’t necessary to make rides accessible for your disability are not the same thing. This is a bad analogy. The lollipop at the bank or the bowl of Halloween candy analogy is better. Do you really need someone to tell you not to upend the entire bowl of candy into your purse? If your partner has a handicapped placard/plates for your car, would you park that car in a handicapped spot when not with your partner?

 

[hopemax]

I have a question about how DAS users would approach queues with low posted waits. For example, after lunch, non-busy times, Spaceship Earth will often be 15 min or less, and because the queue before merge is visible you could see there may be 1-5 standby parties waiting to merge. So which line do people enter? And for the purpose of this question, I am not asking about people with severe conditions.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I think what’s more grey is the people who were approved for needs like heat/sun related exposure, or the type of bathroom needs that flare and are not an all the time
issue, but used it at all times.

Yes, this.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I have a question about how DAS users would approach queues with low posted waits. For example, after lunch, non-busy times, Spaceship Earth will often be 15 min or less, and because the queue before merge is visible you could see there may be 1-5 standby parties waiting to merge. So which line do people enter? And for the purpose of this question, I am not asking about people with severe conditions.

This question was already answered by posters in this thread months ago. They would grab an immediate access DAS return time, because why not, Disney is letting them. (Immediate access because that 15 minute wait becomes a 5 minute return time and you can tap in to your return time up to 5 minutes early).

 

[Angel Ariel]

I have a question about how DAS users would approach queues with low posted waits. For example, after lunch, non-busy times, Spaceship Earth will often be 15 min or less, and because the queue before merge is visible you could see there may be 1-5 standby parties waiting to merge. So which line do people enter? And for the purpose of this question, I am not asking about people with severe conditions.

I was about to answer you, but it appears someone has spoken for everyone in this thread already. I'm happy to connect with you over PM instead.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I hope people who truly need DAS can get it.

This one sentiment is the crux of most of this thread.

How do we define which people truly need DAS, and which people don't?

(I'm not asking you specifically, just quoting you because you happened to express an important concept in one succinct sentence.)

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I have a question about how DAS users would approach queues with low posted waits. For example, after lunch, non-busy times, Spaceship Earth will often be 15 min or less, and because the queue before merge is visible you could see there may be 1-5 standby parties waiting to merge. So which line do people enter? And for the purpose of this question, I am not asking about people with severe conditions.

I don’t think there’s an answer to this question because it would vary by user, I don’t think we ever used it for a line under 20 minutes, I’m sure others did though, others probably never used it for lines under 30, 45, etc.

I’m sure this is true of number per day also, we probably used it 3-5 times a day on average, others have posted they rarely ever used it, the power users were likely using it a dozen times a day or more. Outside of Disney I don’t think anyone has these answers.

 

[Touchdown]

Noon on Memorial Day Monday. Things look a bit more crowded today but MK lines still appear very light. I don’t know what is going on with Mission Space

 

[KDM31091]

Just to explain why, once people with DAS for heat sensitivity decided it was socially acceptable to use it for rides with indoor air-conditioned queues, and once people with IBS who have no problem waiting in a 20 minute Soarin LL decided it was socially acceptable to use it for FOTL access at a 10 minute peoplemover line, the program’s fate was sealed. Both of those examples aren’t hypothetical, they were things that posters early on in this thread admitted to / bragged about. “Why wouldn’t they do it?” They asked? “Disney is letting them!” They said. This is the unfortunate consequence of that philosophy, which appears to have been widespread.

This exactly. The number of people using DAS to access the Peoplemover and avoid a 10 minute wait should be extremely low. Yet it was happening almost every single time I visited lately.

 

[KDM31091]

Noon on Memorial Day Monday. Things look a bit more crowded today but MK lines still appear very light. I don’t know what is going on with Mission SpaceView attachment 787844View attachment 787843

MK in general has been lighter lately; I'm guessing people are waiting for Tiana to open before visiting at this point

 

[hopemax]

I don’t think there’s an answer to this question because it would vary by user, I don’t think we ever used it for a line under 20 minutes, I’m sure others did though, others probably never used it for lines under 30, 45, etc.

I’m sure this is true of number per day also, we probably used it 3-5 times a day on average, others have posted they rarely ever used it, the power users were likely using it a dozen times a day or more. Outside of Disney I don’t think anyone has these answers.

It was a solicitation for multiple answers. Not a one-size-fits all question with one answer.

At Universal, we use the Express Pass line even if the regular line is short, although sometimes the TMs direct us to the regular line anyway. But at Universal sometimes the Express Pass line is a shorter distance to walk. I was curious what people did at Disney when they were eligible to go through LL.

 

[maemae74]

You are still missing the point of the post though, people were using it as designed and as they were told to use it, we had no idea that was unsustainable.

When I moved to Las Vegas 20+ years ago everyone had grass yards and we watered them daily, when the drought started and we were asked to conserve water people started removing yards, watering less, etc. The water authority also uses a progressive fee structure so you pay more if you use excessive amounts. Vegas now uses less water with 2 million people than it used to use with 1 million people. When people are aware a problem exists, especially combined with a disincentive, they will modify behavior.

What you’re doing is essentially saying we were abusing the water system back in 2005 when we were using it exactly as we were being told to.

Had Disney let DAS users know there was a problem, especially if they’d combined that with a deterrent, we most likely could have fixed DAS also.

They modified the behavior because it came with a cost not to do so! Que Genie +

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I have a question about how DAS users would approach queues with low posted waits. For example, after lunch, non-busy times, Spaceship Earth will often be 15 min or less, and because the queue before merge is visible you could see there may be 1-5 standby parties waiting to merge. So which line do people enter? And for the purpose of this question, I am not asking about people with severe conditions.

It would vary quite a bit.

Specifically at SE- if the DAS holder happens to use a wheelchair, then wheelchair users enter SE via the ride's exit, where there is space to park wheelchairs/mobility devices.

It would also depend if they opted to get a DAS pass for the ride, or not. They could ride it without using a DAS pass. DAS holders are not required to use DAS for every ride.

Someone else can correct me if I am wrong, but I think DAS passes can be cancelled, so cancelling it is an option.

DAS users would not be able to book a different DAS pass unless they either used the DAS pass or cancelled it.

If they are in Epcot on a slow day, then Living w/Land, Nemo, Moana, Imagination probably also all have short waits. Maybe some would book those, but DAS wouldn't make a walk-on wait any shorter.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I don’t know what is going on with Mission Space

I’m guessing they are only using 1 simulator per side vs. 2 - if the wait time was cut in half it’s what I would expect (35 minutes)

 

[Joel]

In an ideal world, only people that needed DAS would have applied for it, and DAS users would have only used it when it was necessary. But Disney employs enough people who know about basic human psychology to realize that wasn't a remotely probable scenario. The onus is on them to create a system that won't inevitably collapse under it's own weight. Expecting people to stop and consider the long-term consequences of using the system -- in the way they've been told they're allowed to use it -- when the alternative is "Wheeeeeeee! No standby lines!" just isn't realistic.

Still, absolutely no one should be shocked this is happening.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Noon on Memorial Day Monday. Things look a bit more crowded today but MK lines still appear very light. I don’t know what is going on with Mission SpaceView attachment 787844View attachment 787843

I just took a peek at Epcot now at 12:30. the waits you posted only tell part of what is happening at Epcot today.

While FEA is at 70min, and Remy is 80- both somewhat low; Imagination is at 30, SE is 35, and Nemo is 45. Those waits all seem perhaps a bit high.

 

[UNCgolf]

I just took a peek at Epcot now at 12:30. the waits you posted only tell part of what is happening at Epcot today.

While FEA is at 70min, and Remy is 80- both somewhat low; Imagination is at 30, SE is 35, and Nemo is 45. Those waits all seem perhaps a bit high.

Nemo at 45 is insanely high. I don't remember ever seeing that ride as more than 10-15 minutes (i.e. essentially always a walk-on).

 

[Touchdown]

Is it the last day of F&G?

 

[hopemax]

Nemo at 45 is insanely high. I don't remember ever seeing that ride as more than 10-15 minutes (i.e. essentially always a walk-on).

It happens due to park arrival patterns and timing. But usually it doesn’t stay elevated for long. I think Moana may be pulling people to that area because it’s still new for lots of folks. Then the answer to “now what” is Nemo.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Expecting people to stop and consider the long-term consequences of using the system -- in the way they've been told they're allowed to use it -- when the alternative is "Wheeeeeeee! No standby lines!" just isn't realistic.

Unfortunately this has proven to be true. I don’t think it had to be. People don’t empty the lollipop bowl into their purse at the bank, and trick or treaters only **sometimes** empty out the candy bowl the person who wasn’t home left on their porch.