Grantwil93
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Return to line, rider swap, the new party split policy, and talking mother's at the ride to see what other options are available.Which ones did they speak of?
Return to line, rider swap, the new party split policy, and talking mother's at the ride to see what other options are available.Which ones did they speak of?
Agreed. DAS will do nothing to help, especially since 1) she is still standing in line while passing hundreds of people and she's literally walking past thousands of people a day.Just out of personal curiosity, how would DAS help with that condition? Even if she was allowed to skip a line to the very end, how do you guarantee that no one else in the ride vehicle has taken THC. Heck with ever easing restrictions on THC use you could have CM's who are assisting people with DAS that have used it. Like any environmental allegory or sever peanut allergy that one seems very hard to control/mitigate in a large public setting.
Hahhhh now I am confused! I totally don't understand what you are saying. I am just talking about the re-ride situation not DAS in it's totality. Also I know Universal uses the IBCCES system so it is pre proven, I am asking after you get that approval how do they accommodate them?Its probably wouldnt but guess what. Now many many people will have nothing … so once again trying to hide behind a legal battle thinking people can win will cost everyone the access they needed. Again. Go to a 3rd party prove your ailment system and call it a day.
Oh boy. There are not many attractions with short standbys these days.No, they just won't do rides over a certain wait time according to them.
I don't want to pinpoint this your comment specifically, but (in regards to autism and similar conditions) why are we assuming that Disney will be taken to court because of this change? And even if it does, what are the odds that they lose?Based on the few reports I’ve seen so far, it looks like they are denying DAS to those who are Level 1, particularly if they are adults. My guess is that they know this is going to end up in court, but Genie+ is so profitable that Disney is willing to go that route in an attempt to decrease DAS users in the LL.
Sucks for the people that literally used as intended and went to go sit down and have a beer or something.My guess -- and it's just a guess -- is that Disney ran the geolocation data of people using DAS based on the location reported by their MDE app, and noticed that many people who "can't wait in line" were spending their time waiting for their DAS window waiting in line for other attractions.
My understanding from being in some Universal Groups online is that IBCCES verifies the disability, but the guests still have to go to someone in park to get approved for the appropriate accommodations for that disability. So there have been people with mobility issues that get approved by IBCCES as having a valid disability, but since many of the queues are accessible they didn't get to use the express line for many rides.I am going to ask this again as there is radio silence... After you get your IBCCES at Universal what does their accomodations look like? How do those individuals ride the rides?
I mean, wasn't that exactly what Disney said could be done under DAS? Enjoy other attractions and offerings while waiting? The list of rides I've ever done that for is relatively limited (Peoplemover, Ellen, GMR, once in a rare while a different ride or two that had a wait time under 15-20 mins) - because they all had short enough waits that I could handle waiting in the normal line.My guess -- and it's just a guess -- is that Disney ran the geolocation data of people using DAS based on the location reported by their MDE app, and noticed that many people who "can't wait in line" were spending their time waiting for their DAS window waiting in line for other attractions.
If Disney stopped providing any DAS for anyone I think they would have more of a chance legally - but this seems like a very odd choice and I can’t imagine it actually went through a legal department that specializes in disability access.why are we assuming that Disney will be taken to court because of this change?
I'm not sure if that would qualify or not (seems like a "No" but that's just an educated guess based on the changes made and the few reports of results under the new system). I'm not sure how DAS would really solve your wife's issue, though. Disney doesn't drug test people when they enter, so how would anyone know if someone in the LL line had an edible before getting in line? It seems line the risk is the same in both lines.
I don't want to pinpoint this your comment specifically, but (in regards to autism and similar conditions) why are we assuming that Disney will be taken to court because of this change? And even if it does, what are the odds that they lose?
I know that the over tightening of restrictions (which I believe will be smoothed over time) will definitely cause distress for some families, but there's a big difference between what they have to do (official disability guidelines) and special accommodations they provide at will.
If Disney stopped providing any DAS for anyone I think they would have more of a chance legally - but this seems like a very odd choice and I can’t imagine it actually went through a legal department that specializes in disability access.
Having non-medically trained CM’s judge the level of a condition over zoom is just asking for legal issues.
If someone asks for an interpreter at a parade or performance the CM doesn’t ask the severity of your hearing loss and judge if you really need an interpreter or not do they?
This goes along with my comment earlier, Disney designed a program, and implemented policies, that made DAS ripe for soft abuse (for lack of a better word), whether your condition prevented waiting in a 10 minute line or a 45 minute line the advise was the same… use DAS and do other things while you wait. While it wasn’t outright abuse it lead to unsustainable overuse, and that’s why we are where we are now.I mean, wasn't that exactly what Disney said could be done under DAS? Enjoy other attractions and offerings while waiting? The list of rides I've ever done that for is relatively limited (Peoplemover, Ellen, GMR, once in a rare while a different ride or two that had a wait time under 15-20 mins) - because they all had short enough waits that I could handle waiting in the normal line.
I don’t think soClass. Action. Train. Let's go
You are correct. Disney created this problem and now is over compensating to (try to fix it?)This goes along with my comment earlier, Disney designed a program, and implemented policies, that made DAS ripe for soft abuse (for lack of a better word), whether your condition prevented waiting in a 10 minute line or a 45 minute line the advise was the same… use DAS and do other things while you wait. While it wasn’t outright abuse it lead to unsustainable overuse, and that’s why we are where we are now.
Had Disney changed their policies to limit use to specific line lengths, to a certain number of rides a day, to 1 use per ride, to a certain group size, etc they probably could have salvaged DAS, instead they just eliminated it and now those who genuinely needed it are left with nothing.
All is needed is to find a lawyer willing to take it on. Will it fly is another story.I don’t think so
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