New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe Disney could hire employees with 2 brain cells who know how to get a point across without insulting people?

Employees are hired at minimum wages to maximum revenue and profits

 

[Vclguy90]

Well last time I checked Disney emps weren’t required to complete a PhD in psychology to qualify for such a position at such a wage?

But that’s not “faking” a disability. That’s not meeting a new criteria.

Faking is “Cindy at work just said say you have ADD…it’s great…”

And that is much more rampant than any reasonable human would have guessed. It’s rampant according to some reputable sources and outright theft.

Ok, not meeting a criteria that you've met for 10+ years in order to sell G+ is jarring to me.

 

[Splash4eva]

…I think that might be why they’ve identified it as a “problem”

In the social media/rat race world, people began to develop their own criteria that leans more toward “convenience” over “access”

Again its a problem why? For starters these absurd high numbers to me are far from a normal every day occurrence imo… BUT again as i have stated since the beginning there is a very easy way to limit it. 8% across allll parks from what has been reported so that does not mean these people are in all 4 parks. Cut the party size down they have , eliminate pre books they supposedly are. Right there helps tremendously. The issue lies with re rides its simple Math. If someone is only allowed 1 ride using DAS with their party problems solved Now i fully understand that most likely will causes an issue so how to fix that is the big question. A re ride can Only be DAS and 1 other guest? I dont know. But if you have a fixed number of people in a park and a limit on what they can ride thats the solution or part of it.

 

[lentesta]

Can anyone list attractions that are running at partial capacity?

Here's what we've measured in the past 45 days. We get these numbers by counting the number of guests exiting the attraction for either 30 or 60 minutes. (We're also counting minute-by-minute guest arrivals for both standby and LL.)

• Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway: 1,635 and 1,687/hour. Highest all-time is 1,687, so it's running at 100%.
• Remy's Ratatouille Adventure: 2,150/hour. We think it maxes out at 2,200/hour, so it's running at 100%.
• Slinky Dog Dash: 1,072; 1,210; 1,200; and 1,037/hour. Max is 1,210/hour, so it seems to be running at 100% capacity.
• Tower of Terror: 1,240/hour. Max is 1,470, so that's ~84% of capacity.
• Smugglers Run: 1,306; 1,459; and 1,423/hour. I know the THC is around 1,800 but I think 1,450 is about 100% these days.

That said, some rides, such as Smugglers Run, don't always open the morning at 100% capacity.

Guardians definitely does not run at 100% capacity throughout the day. Below are the approximate riders-per-hour goals as of Jan 2024, assuming 2,000/hour as the THC:

• First hour the park is open: 1,000 riders/hour is the goal
• 2nd hour park is open: 1,000/hour
• 3rd hour: 1,000/hour
• 4th hour: 1,100/hour
• 5th hour: 1,100/hour
• 6th hour: 1,250/hour
• 7th hour: 1,350/hour
• 8th hour: 1,400/hour
• 9th hour: 1,400/hour
• 10th hour: 1,400/hour
• 11th hour: 1,350/hour
• 12th hour: 1,200/hour(?)

Apologies for not posting the docs I have for that. They contain indentifying info.

ETA: If anyone wants us to check out a specific attraction, let me know. We're working DHS and MK a lot right now, testing a new modeling method for our wait time estimates. So those parks are easy to get.

 

[Splash4eva]

…I think that might be why they’ve identified it as a “problem”

In the social media/rat race world, people began to develop their own criteria that leans more toward “convenience” over “access”

Listen im not saying people are not lying but when a number is at 8%. How many of those people are outright lying? Imo nothing that will move the needles we are seeing in the parks… again i dk how to solve the issue but letting people on rides multiple times via DAS definitely creates an issue. Maybe they can do some type of time frame? I dk. If you ride Slinky via DAS at 10 am you have to wait until a certain time. I truly dk and yes i fully understand that this would most likely be challenged…

 

[natatomic]

It’s important to remember that there is no way that you know everything about another persons life - they may have unique struggles and challenges and do really well at hiding / overcoming those issues when out and about in life.

He was my husband for quite a while…

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Here's what we've measured in the past 45 days. We get these numbers by counting the number of guests exiting the attraction for either 30 or 60 minutes. (We're also counting minute-by-minute guest arrivals for both standby and LL.)

• Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway: 1,635 and 1,687/hour. Highest all-time is 1,687, so it's running at 100%.
• Remy's Ratatouille Adventure: 2,150/hour. We think it maxes out at 2,200/hour, so it's running at 100%.
• Slinky Dog Dash: 1,072; 1,210; 1,200; and 1,037/hour. Max is 1,210/hour, so it seems to be running at 100% capacity.
• Tower of Terror: 1,240/hour. Max is 1,470, so that's ~84% of capacity.
• Smugglers Run: 1,306; 1,459; and 1,423/hour. I know the THC is around 1,800 but I think 1,450 is about 100% these days.

That said, some rides, such as Smugglers Run, don't always open the morning at 100% capacity.

Guardians definitely does not run at 100% capacity throughout the day. Below are the approximate riders-per-hour goals as of Jan 2024, assuming 2,000/hour as the THC:

• First hour the park is open: 1,000 riders/hour is the goal
• 2nd hour park is open: 1,000/hour
• 3rd hour: 1,000/hour
• 4th hour: 1,100/hour
• 5th hour: 1,100/hour
• 6th hour: 1,250/hour
• 7th hour: 1,350/hour
• 8th hour: 1,400/hour
• 9th hour: 1,400/hour
• 10th hour: 1,400/hour
• 11th hour: 1,350/hour
• 12th hour: 1,200/hour(?)

Apologies for not posting the docs I have for that. They contain indentifying info.

ETA: If anyone wants us to check out a specific attraction, let me know. We're working DHS and MK a lot right now, testing a new modeling method for our wait time estimates. So those parks are easy to get.

Thank you…

That doesn’t seem out of line at all. They’re gonna slowly ramp up all ride Systems after 6-10 hours of down time

Nothing to see here

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Again its a problem why? For starters these absurd high numbers to me are far from a normal every day occurrence imo… BUT again as i have stated since the beginning there is a very easy way to limit it. 8% across allll parks from what has been reported so that does not mean these people are in all 4 parks. Cut the party size down they have , eliminate pre books they supposedly are. Right there helps tremendously. The issue lies with re rides its simple Math. If someone is only allowed 1 ride using DAS with their party problems solved Now i fully understand that most likely will causes an issue so how to fix that is the big question. A re ride can Only be DAS and 1 other guest? I dont know. But if you have a fixed number of people in a park and a limit on what they can ride thats the solution or part of it.

Why is it a problem?

That’s a rhetorical question, right?

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Thank you…

That doesn’t seem out of line at all. They’re gonna slowly ramp up all ride Systems after 6-10 hours of down time

Nothing to see here

Yeah, the “running rides at less than capacity” to juice G+ sales conspiracy theory never made much sense. They don’t need to do that. They already have a huge capacity problem, and that problem only gets worse each year.

 

[lentesta]

Yeah, the “running rides at less than capacity” to juice G+ sales conspiracy theory never made much sense. They don’t need to do that. They already have a huge capacity problem, and that problem only gets worse each year.

The thing I tell people is this: they don't need to fudge the wait-time numbers or capacity in order to sell G+. All they need to do is create uncertainty about whether everything's running as it should. Because if you don't know, you'll buy G+ and ILL as a hedge against everything being bad.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Listen im not saying people are not lying but when a number is at 8%. How many of those people are outright lying? Imo nothing that will move the needles we are seeing in the parks… again i dk how to solve the issue but letting people on rides multiple times via DAS definitely creates an issue. Maybe they can do some type of time frame? I dk. If you ride Slinky via DAS at 10 am you have to wait until a certain time. I truly dk and yes i fully understand that this would most likely be challenged…

It’s more than just the liars

As has been repeated for months on this thread…Disney has to provide “access”…not “convenience”

Access means the ability to do things…it does not mean in comfort or at high volume.

Does that suck? Yeah. It does. But they are there to glean profit and the very accommodating disability programs is in clear conflict with that.

Doesn’t make them noble…kinda scummy actually…but also doesn’t make them wrong either. It’s good business. And it sucks.

I think a big issue here is the name. As in Disney was always out front on equal treatment and access issue for decades. It was something they are respected for…but wasn’t then guaranteed. This seems like “paradise lost” for many.

I love that they can be a “place for everyone”. But the reality is they are not. It’s huge and in a sauna…and the prices make it a pipe dream for 60% or more from THIS country and more like 90% around the world.

They’re not there to serve individual cup cakes of “magic”

And if you want that…you can pay $169.99 in Tomorrowland terrace and load up.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah, the “running rides at less than capacity” to juice G+ sales conspiracy theory never made much sense. They don’t need to do that. They already have a huge capacity problem, and that problem only gets worse each year.

The thing I tell people is this: they don't need to fudge the wait-time numbers or capacity in order to sell G+. All they need to do is create uncertainty about whether everything's running as it should. Because if you don't know, you'll buy G+ and ILL as a hedge against everything being bad.

I think this “they’re lying to sell genie” myth is a result of the shift in attendance as a result of the prices and upsells…not a specific scheme to upsell.

What I mean by that is there are ALOT more people out of bed and in the parks at 7:30-8 am than decades prior. You “walked on” 10, 20,30 years ago at that time because there wasn’t the tremendous crowd and price pressure. Magic kingdom wouldn’t get busy until 11-12 most days. No longer.

And the sitdowns which used to gobble lots of people are ghost towns now. Too expensive. So then they make them more expensive and eat less people. Satans Sircle

It puts too much pressure on the system. And they sell it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ok, not meeting a criteria that you've met for 10+ years in order to sell G+ is jarring to me.

It is…

But it is also not their “legal” requirement to observe…as Chi has stated 50 different ways here.

Some things were better in the past and not going back.

For instance: damn near everything about wdw…for everyone.

Anyone who honestly believes it’s more enjoyable now than in the year 2000 needs a drink…or a xanex…both.

This policy shift…yes to sell genie…is just spreading the “pain” around.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Guess former DAS users will have to get together 100 or so of their nearest and dearest standing in a sauna so that they can practice standing in a line.

This is the part where we cross into “double standards” zone…

Nobody is comfortable with any line in that condition. No one.

And yet all the money looks the same

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Listen i understand what the other person posted but you see my point why choosing to wait willingly is not always the best option for someone with DAS …. Its like why take a chance. If wait times were accurate great but as i said its not a normal occurrence but its also not a one off either…. Its easy to criticize people who use DAS but i assure you those who legit need it would love to trade in any disability to be able to wait in a 60 minute line…

Nobody is criticizing those who legitimately need DAS. Let's not pretend that understated wait times to the extent you say you experienced is common unless an attraction breaks down, however - and that would impact you in the LL line as well. And it is usually pretty obvious when the Wait Time sign just hasn't been updated to account for a rush of people who all noticed the short wait around the same time. If Buzz has a posted 20 minute wait but the line outside is using all the switchbacks around the side of the building, I know it's a longer wait. It is more likely to see wait times overstated. The conspiracy-minded here lime to say it's to boost G+ sales, but it's been an issue long before G+ was even a thought, let alone a rumor here or reality.

 

[Splash4eva]

It’s more than just the liars

As has been repeated for months on this thread…Disney has to provide “access”…not “convenience”

Access means the ability to do things…it does not mean in comfort or at high volume.

Does that suck? Yeah. It does. But they are there to glean profit and the very accommodating disability programs is in clear conflict with that.

Doesn’t make them noble…kinda scummy actually…but also doesn’t make them wrong either. It’s good business. And it sucks.

I think a big issue here is the name. As in Disney was always out front on equal treatment and access issue for decades. It was something they are respected for…but wasn’t then guaranteed. This seems like “paradise lost” for many.

I love that they can be a “place for everyone”. But they reality is they are not. It’s huge and in a sauna…and the prices make it a pipe dream for 60% or more from THIS country and more like 90% around the world.

They’re not there to serve individual cup cakes or “magic”

And if you want that…you can pay $169.99 in Tomorrowland terrace and load up.

If Disney would simply get rid of re rides or somehow find a way to cap them at 2 at different times along with the other changes in reducing party size and no more pre books would you say that it would help ease a ton of this pain?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If Disney would simply get rid of re rides or somehow find a way to cap them at 2 at different times along with the other changes in reducing party size and no more pre books would you say that it would help ease a ton of this pain?

The only thing that will help this and all of their park flow problems is more capacity. More ride seats…more diversions without lines…more entertainment…more attractive dining to pull people out of queues.

Anything else is moving deck chairs.

The general public doesn’t get re-rides with any regularity anyway…which is why it’s banned from Genie and ILL

just not enough spots to move people around. And DAS is a pressure point…but wouldn’t solve the issue.

 

[Drdcm]

Is it also being over diagnosed? A adult in his mid-30s I personally know incredibly well was diagnosed with it a year or two ago, and when he told me and the other person in the room at a time, we both did a double take and said, “Really…?” I’m not going to go into personal details, but…it honestly seemed ridiculous. And knowing that, I can honestly see why Disney doesn’t need to give out a DAS pass to everyone who says they have autism, regardless of official diagnosis or not.

My impression is that a lot of people with social anxiety are misdiagnosed with autism.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Nobody is criticizing those who legitimately need DAS.

That absolutely has happened and multiple times. All of the comments questioning whether people should even visit Walt Disney World are criticisms of people who need DAS. Just because it’s couched in “just asking questions” doesn’t make it go away.

Same goes for crap like calling people narcissists for being concerns about their next visit. Or prodding about needs.

 

[Happyday]

It’s more than just the liars

As has been repeated for months on this thread…Disney has to provide “access”…not “convenience”

Access means the ability to do things…it does not mean in comfort or at high volume.

Does that suck? Yeah. It does. But they are there to glean profit and the very accommodating disability programs is in clear conflict with that.

Doesn’t make them noble…kinda scummy actually…but also doesn’t make them wrong either. It’s good business. And it sucks.

I think a big issue here is the name. As in Disney was always out front on equal treatment and access issue for decades. It was something they are respected for…but wasn’t then guaranteed. This seems like “paradise lost” for many.

I love that they can be a “place for everyone”. But they reality is they are not. It’s huge and in a sauna…and the prices make it a pipe dream for 60% or more from THIS country and more like 90% around the world.

They’re not there to serve individual cup cakes or “magic”

And if you want that…you can pay $169.99 in Tomorrowland terrace and load up.

Okay I have a question. As someone who has never been to nor will ever go to Universal (we are limited in the type of rides we can ride) what does their accessible accommodations look like? Just trying to see the difference because everyone keeps saying Disney makes it so much easier. Before everyone answers I know about the IBCCES system because I looked into that when that was a possibility for Disney.