New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[pdude81]

Come to think of it, I'm not so sure they wouldn't do this. I recently called up to deal with some reservation issues and they proceeded to rattle off basically my entire timeline of events at the park that night as a defense for why they shouldn't refund me for certain things. It was pretty jarring to say the least.

I'm not assuming anything, but they have more technology now to track us than ever with MB+. You need it for certain games and interactions, but even just walking around the 50th statues it reaches out to let you know you're close enough to some "magic". Similar with MDE on phones, if you have the piece enabled for photo retrieval they know where you've been. Good luck checking into lunch from more than 50 meters these days.

My assumption is that this data could be used if abuse is suspected.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Today I learned that my Type 1 Diabetes would have qualified me for DAS.

I have been to WDW and DL probably a dozen times since my diagnosis and not once did I ever think “hey I need to skip lines for this”.

I have my insulin pump / glucose monitor in one pocket.

I have a pack of Starbursts in the other.

I am sufficiently accommodated.

Funny…I learned the same thing today

 

[pdude81]

There's no need to be insulting. Good day, sir.

I didn't mean to be insulting; I was trying to be self-deprecating. What I meant is that I am trying to think about the conditions they are focused on in the description and what triggers are commonly associated. It seemed to me that you were calling me out for trying to think critically.

Now I do think you have spent a lot of time in this thread making sure we know that your families needs are different than others, and I would expect that they would take your specific needs into account when granting accommodations. The focus on the language seems to be trying to stop people from just walking up to the front counter and saying "my son is on the spectrum, and I don't want to talk any more about it."

 

[Trauma]

Yeah so basically if you have a doctors note Disney isn’t going to do a darn thing.

This will cut down abuse like 3% and make it a larger hassle for the people who need it.

 

[nickys]

Edit. Doing it all online too tells me they need to allow people outside the US to sign up too as currently we can’t without a VPN

From all the reports I’ve read of people trying to do it from Europe, even a vpn doesn’t work. Even if you get through, as soon as the CM hears you’re not in the US or Canada they refuse to take it any further. I did read one report where the CM said “I shouldn’t but since you got through I’ll do it anyway”.

Hopefully they’ll get something in place.

 

[Comped]

I have my insulin pump / glucose monitor in one pocket.

I have a pack of Starbursts in the other.

But what colour starbursts? There are right and wrong answers.

 

[Doberge]

I still don’t get this.

How does this prevent abuse.

It’s looks the same as it has been for the last couple years?

It's less about preventing abuse because that is an impossible goal, but the goal is likely just to reduce the number of abusers with ban threats and barriers.

On threats to ban from parks, many abusers will not even try to register, although some will because it will be exceedingly difficult for Disney to prove lying without requesting medical records and that doesn't seem on the table now. It will be interesting if Disney plays hardball with some and bans but said "you're welcome to have X team look at your records if you like to voluntary share then." But I don't see that. Someone would have to screw up by putting into public that they lied.

On barriers, anything not in person will reduce the number of abusers because it's extra hurdles for something that used to be as easy as walking up in person. Of course some abusers will still go through the process.

And while ban threats and barriers won't stop all abusers, the reduction in group size will at least reduce the impact.

 

[tissandtully]

Yeah so basically if you have a doctors note Disney isn’t going to do a darn thing.

This will cut down abuse like 3% and make it a larger hassle for the people who need it.

Yeah unfortunately you can find a Dr. to approve anything nowadays.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But what colour starbursts? There are right and wrong answers.

The tan m&m always sucked

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah unfortunately you can find a Dr. to approve anything nowadays.

Well the police car on the side of the road isn’t meant to give everyone a ticket

 

[Purduevian]

They did start previewing facial recognition a few years back, right? I'm assuming they aren't proactively looking to ban guest, but if someone says they can't wait in lines for a specific reason, but queues at HM with a 40 minute line and gets a photo while skipping a 75 minute queue at 7DMT, questions could be asked.

If we are going full minority report facial recognition to track every DAS user... the easy solution that doesn't even touch the "disability" conversation would be the following rule:
A DAS return time is an accommodation and substitute for the standby queue. As such any user, currently in possession of a DAS return time may not enter any attraction queue (standby or LL) or else their DAS return time will be cancelled.
They can also track the users through their shoes. https://www.disneydining.com/disney...-to-identify-guests-based-on-their-shoes-bb1/

 

[nickys]

Yep. It was small groups of up to 6 sparsely using it that accounted for TP’s wild number divergences and Disney’s aggressive (and some would say draconian) step in changing their policies here.

Eh? I’m saying whoever reports those examples have no way to know that the group were using DAS.

The other categories I gave also use the LL line.

 

[CastAStone]

But what colour starbursts? There are right and wrong answers.

I prefer pink and yellow but if my blood sugar is low enough I’m eating all of them mixed together, possibly with scraps of the paper still on. I wouldn’t be aware of it.

Severely low blood sugar is something else.

 

[Trauma]

Yeah unfortunately you can find a Dr. to approve anything nowadays.

Yes and Disney is never going to call someone out.

Let’s take my Mom.

She does have days where she can stand in line long periods of time and be fine.

She has other days where she absolutely needs DAS.

So is Disney going to call her in and question her because she was in line for PPF for 50 minutes ?

That would be ridiculous.

 

[Andrew C]

I prefer pink and yellow but if my blood sugar is low enough I’m eating all of them mixed together, possibly with scraps of the paper still on. I wouldn’t be aware of it.

Severely low blood sugar is something else.

I would have a hard time eating red just to save my life...

 

[wdw71fan]

Gotta figure out what this means for us.. Wife has a condition that she cant' stand in lines for extended periods of time.. Typically the solution is to put someone like that into a wheelchair, etc.. She doesn't need a wheelchair for mobility, and can't sit for an extended period of time in a line either (long story, but the results are equally as bad a standing).. So, anyway.. It may not be a big deal moving forward, but every change like this makes me nervous... I detest anyone who abuses these programs (same as the assitance pass for hhn, etc).. My wife would gladly trade her issues and stand in line if someone else wants them

 

[hopemax]

So logistics... if we take this at face value, seems like a natural part of Disney's expectations is to direct more people to wheelchairs / scooters and use the regular line. And they also expect that people (some of them who may be using these scooters and wheelchairs) to quickly, and easily exit the regular line, get their return to line pass sorted, and make it to the bathroom in time, or out of the zone before their PTSD kicks in, etc. How is that even going to work given the setup of a lot of Disney's queues?

As for diabetes. My FIL is type 1, and as he reached an older age, he has more and more issues. We went to an all-inclusive in Mexico last year, and just navigating the resort, which was smaller than a lot of Disney resorts was difficult, and he opted out of stuff. So while I can see younger people, who have had their disease well-managed being surprised about accommodations... things can change.

 

[pdude81]

If we are going full minority report facial recognition to track every DAS user... the easy solution that doesn't even touch the "disability" conversation would be the following rule:
A DAS return time is an accommodation and substitute for the standby queue. As such any user, currently in possession of a DAS return time may not enter any attraction queue (standby or LL) or else their DAS return time will be cancelled.
They can also track the users through their shoes. https://www.disneydining.com/disney...-to-identify-guests-based-on-their-shoes-bb1/

I don't think there would be any proactive tracking done here. But they have a lot of data they can use, along with wait time data, to see if things are clear issues.

And as far as entering a LL, anyone with DAS should also be able to use G+ IMO because people who wait in standby lines can also use G+. They can get some leeway with DAS times just like if a meal ran up against your Remy LL.

 

[CastAStone]

Today I learned that my Type 1 Diabetes would have qualified me for DAS.

I have been to WDW and DL probably a dozen times since my diagnosis and not once did I ever think “hey I need to skip lines for this”.

I have my insulin pump / glucose monitor in one pocket.

I have a pack of Starbursts in the other.

I am sufficiently accommodated.

I will just add that WDW, with all that walking, does wreak havoc on my blood sugars, but on both occasions at WDW I have mentioned to a cast member that my blood sugar was low and showed them my pump, I had a cold, free Powerade in my hand in less than a minute, without actually asking for anything.

I am sufficiently accommodated.

 

[pdude81]

Gotta figure out what this means for us.. Wife has a condition that she cant' stand in lines for extended periods of time.. Typically the solution is to put someone like that into a wheelchair, etc.. She doesn't need a wheelchair for mobility, and can't sit for an extended period of time in a line either (long story, but the results are equally as bad a standing).. So, anyway.. It may not be a big deal moving forward, but every change like this makes me nervous... I detest anyone who abuses these programs (same as the assitance pass for hhn, etc).. My wife would gladly trade her issues and stand in line if someone else wants them

Would being out of the wheelchair for a few minutes at a time do the trick? Obviously I'm not in the know about her particular disability, but you might have trouble explaining that neither sitting nor standing works for her.