New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

seabreezept813

Well-Known Member
Maybe if I type slower....

Proof that a lot of people are utilizing DAS is not proof of abuse. Saying that 8% of guests are taking up 70% of capacity, is not proof of abuse.

Of the two general forms of abuse being discussed here:

No one knows how many people request DAS actually need it versus do not. Disney cannot ask for or store medical records to know how many people have a need backed up by a professional opinion versus do not. Let alone anyone on this website.

As far as standby queue abuse goes, no one has claimed to know how many people issued DAS are entering standby queues. Disney *might* have an idea if they are using magicband tracking to find out who is where in the park at any particular point, but even that data would be widely prone to error.

So when people start making outrageous claims about all the abuse (somehow implying that DAS users at large are all liars and cheats) it seems fair to just ask ... what is that number?
People could also have DAS and only use it as needed. If your disability prevents you from long lines, you still might just do standby for rides that don’t have long lines. So as not to overuse/abuse the DAS privilege. So entering standby doesn’t necessarily mean double dipping it could just mean they don’t need DAS for every attraction.
 

StarBright

Member
I hear you, but I think the DAS changes will greatly increase the purchase in Genie+, because these former DAS folks STILL HAVE THE ISSUE that qualified them for the old DAS, so they need something, so they will go to Genie+

Will there be less folks in LL lines? Possibly. Think about the competition for LL return times in Genie+ with the increase of folks using it. If folks try to get return times for attractions too late in the morning, return times could be 6 hours away and folks will not be in the LL line for 6 hours and may not even bother to use that return time.
Genie+ is finite thought. So even if former DAS folk get Genie+ there will still be a limit in how many can do that.
 

Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
Thinking out loud here & obviously too late bc my guess is the decision is made but can Disney say have different levels of DAS where it prevents you from booking anything that say has less than a 30 minute wait?
 

phillip9698

Well-Known Member
Perhaps. It all depends on how rigid they stick to the DAS guardrails. How stringent are they on cracking down on specious developmental disability claims? How rigid are they with the “only” developmental disabilities get DAS (do they really withhold from those with extreme physical disabilities?)

Basically, if they reduce DAS usage by, say, 25% from what it is now (scammers and those who can be accommodated differently), will that really result in that much more of an enticing G+ experience?

If you freed up the available capacity of poplar e tickets by 25% that would be a massive improvement over the status quo.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
Maybe you should talk to the people who actually live this and how they manage day to day vs just broadly assume. Or probably better... just not get in the middle period. You don't know what the triggers are for each individual.
My mother in law is raising my autistic nephew so I do talk to people who live this. My wife and I have also taken him to water parks and non Disney amusement parks.

Getting triggered by things and acting out doesn't necessarily mean a person "can't" wait on a normal standby line. It might make it miserable for thier caretakers and other guests but they have the ability to wait. They aren't going to go into cardiac arrest from waiting.

At WDW I've seen and heard tantrums from non-disabled children waiting in long lines that caused a disturbance for other guests and made it difficult on their caretakers.

My nephew can't have a normal conversation with people. He'll likely not be able to perform a job or manage a household. That's his disability.
 

Happyday

Well-Known Member
My mother in law is raising my autistic nephew so I do talk to people who live this. My wife and I have also taken him to water parks and non Disney amusement parks.

Getting triggered by things and acting out doesn't necessarily mean a person "can't" wait on a normal standby line. It might make it miserable for thier caretakers and other guests but they have the ability to wait. They aren't going to go into cardiac arrest from waiting.

At WDW I've seen and heard tantrums from non-disabled children waiting in long lines that caused a disturbance for other guests and made it difficult on their caretakers.

My nephew can't have a normal conversation with people. He'll likely not be able to perform a job or manage a household. That's his disability.
I'm not doubting you or dismissing your experience however it is important to remember that there are 'levels' to autism. I know people that can "function" like neurotypical individuals and you would never know they are diagnosed with autism unless you were really close to them. I also know nonverbal, aggressive 24 hour care individuals on the spectrum. In this situation I am thinking of those that for the most part can handle an amusement park but if something triggers them they could have an issue and I'm not talking about a child that is easily controlled by an adult I am thinking of an adult, you may never know what the trigger was. This is a difficult situation because of the uncertainty of autism spectrum disorders you never know.
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
And all those stops just make DAS even better comparatively.

Because you’re “waiting in line” the whole time you are making those stops.
This is true. But it also means many are not racing from attraction to attraction.

As another poster pointed out, the disruption in their normal routine might equal half a day in the park, or maybe they only do the peripheral park hours.

It has also been pointed out that families often have more than 1 child. WDW thinks DAS needs to change, and hopefully the new options are better for everyone, but well, a close friend of mine was other child. Every day of his childhood was impacted by his sibling's needs, and her needs were all-consuming. If his sister could only be in a theme park for half a day, that likely meant he could only spend half a day in the theme park. Though I should add, his family never went to WDW. His family was only able to take half-day trips to local amusement parks. Overnight trips were not an option.

I daresay, WDW long ago took a compassionate approach in the days of GAC. Much has changed since then. Am I the only one who recalls The Year of Million Dreams? CM's gave out all kinds of freebies in that era. No matter who you were, CM's were extremely generous to everyone. They gave out all kinds of freebies, just because. If something ever went wrong, like ever, CM's would make it up in some way, like a free dessert or magically replacing a lost toy with a new one. If you were the first one to enter a gift shop, you got a certificate.

Indeed, crazy to recall, but that was part of why I joined this forum way back when. I thought it was fun to hear about all the creative surprises. That was a different era for sure.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
I'm not doubting you or dismissing your experience however it is important to remember that there are 'levels' to autism. I know people that can "function" like neurotypical individuals and you would never know they are diagnosed with autism unless you were really close to them. I also know nonverbal, aggressive 24 hour care individuals on the spectrum. In this situation I am thinking of those that for the most part can handle an amusement park but if something triggers them they could have an issue and I'm not talking about a child that is easily controlled by an adult I am thinking of an adult, you may never know what the trigger was. This is a difficult situation because of the uncertainty of autism spectrum disorders you never know.
I agree 100% which is why accommodations should be made based on each case for developmental disabilities. Just being diagnosed with "autism" doesn't mean someone requires accommodations. Some autistic people absolutely do.
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
It reached a point where it wasn’t sustainable anymore. I feel bad for anyone who visited during the busy spring break weeks of 2024 and wasn’t on the DAS pass.
I agree with your post, but I visited WDW in March, and the parks were pretty slow.
The waits were comparable to this week. G+ for AK was $17. Right now standbys: BTMRR is only 20min, Buzz 20, Pooh 25, PP 75, Pirate 20, SM 40, Speedway 10, LM 10, Astro 25, Dumbo 5. On a day like today, if you got a few biggies out of the way during rope drop/after 9pm, the rest of the day is pretty easy going. (4/18/24 at 5pm)

I think it got bad a few days around Easter, but 2024 is not 2019. WDW appears to have taken a dip.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Perhaps. It all depends on how rigid they stick to the DAS guardrails
Sure, but you already started with the assumption that they would reduce DAS usage significantly enough to improve standby lines... which means a huge drop in LL usage... because the LL is never going to be empty, so the only way you improve standby waits is to lower the ratio between LL and standby. And to do that and maintain LL wait times, they would need a proportionally less amount of people in the LL queue.

ETA: ignoring the people who are double dipping during return times...
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Orlando as a whole has.... but I'm going to wait to see what happens in the summer.

People keep thinking I'm crazy when I say the Jan-Mar period is busier than the summer months lol
I think you are right about the summer. I think it has been trending that way for a while.

Summer 2024 may have additional factors -
Genie+ screwed up everything.
The DAS change will screw things up worse.
Families may be skipping 2024 for EPIC in 2025 OR skipping 2024 to visit the potentially less than mobbed WDW because of EPIC.
 

Happyday

Well-Known Member
Which is exactly why the system assigns accommodations based on your needs and not your diagnosis.
Okay I am sorry to step back in here but...I just reread the announcement as another site just reposted it do to the DAS defenders letter to Disney. I just realized that it said DAS and the 2 pre-selects are not coupled anymore and that people with DAS would not be given the pre-selects but it also sounds like they will be offering that to others almost like the Fast pass system but with just the pre-selects! I think that changes how I am looking at this. Hear me out...if you don't qualify for DAS but still have some issues in lines they will give you 2 return times per day to use. Not perfect but couple that with Genie+ if you can afford it may be doable.
 

Fido Chuckwagon

Well-Known Member
If it's not abuse and it's legally mandated, it doesn't matter at all that it's "too much." Waiting in a short line is not a right. Disability accommodation is.
It is extremely gray as to whether or not waiting in a short line is a required disability accommodation, especially when other accommodations can be made.
 

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