New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Purduevian]

I never knew there was such a thing as return to line thing?

Is it only folks with DAS get return to line?

We will find out next month, it's new!

 

[Happyday]

At least for me, a very simple change to DAS/G+ could solve quite a few issues. Simply disallow DAS users from redeeming a LL while holding a DAS return time that is not yet redeemable.

Before people get mad again, I am NOT saying DAS users should not be allowed to use G+/LL. Simply that a DAS return time is treated the same as jumping in a Standby for a non-DAS user (A non-DAS user can't tap into a Pan LL while waiting in line for 7D, but a DAS user can grab a 7D return time and while "waiting" hop in a LL they hold a time for)

I would add as I said before add a touch point at the end of the ride for DAS then they can't get another return time till they scan out. This is in addition to the changes they are doing now that way it doesn't effect those that have to use the standby line.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You answered my next question already and somehow this is gonna generate more money for them

I definitely think money is a big part of their concern

But this time…not all of it.

The levels of LL being used specifically for DAS isn’t sustainable. It can’t be 15 minutes for DAS and 95 standby for Navi as the effective policy. And it sounds like it’s way too close to that.

But a lot of it is money. Because genie will sell a lot more and at a higher price if it works. And it really doesn’t. They are inferring it’s das.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

It just needs more capacity, and the ability to reride.

I would be fine if they just give rerides for tier 2 and tier 3 attractions. I get not doing it for tier 1’s to give everyone a chance.

 

[Splash4eva]

I definitely think money is a big part of their concern

But this time…not all of it.

The levels of LL being used specifically for DAS isn’t sustainable. It can’t be 15 minutes for DAS and 95 standby for Navi as the effective policy. And it sounds like it’s way too close to that.

But a lot of it is money. Because genie will sell a lot more and at a higher price if it works. And it really doesn’t. They are inferring it’s das.

Listen i dk how they plan on handling this all but at bare minimum i feel there will be more Genie + sold after any changes are made. They will also imo add “inventory” to these LL attractions so im not sure what impact this will have overall. Significant or not. Now can Disney inflated wait times be reduced and they can preach this is a “win” or course. Sadly we will
Never know bc as we are all in agreement on is Disney is 100% inflating wait times numbers

 

[Splash4eva]

I would be fine if they just give rerides for tier 2 and tier 3 attractions. I get not doing it for tier 1’s to give everyone a chance.

Problem with not allowing re rides is now you are in theory not giving them the same experience as other guests hence why insuggested re rides can only be done by DAS and 1 other.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

At least for me, a very simple change to DAS/G+ could solve quite a few issues. Simply disallow DAS users from redeeming a LL while holding a DAS return time that is not yet redeemable.

Before people get mad again, I am NOT saying DAS users should not be allowed to use G+/LL. Simply that a DAS return time is treated the same as jumping in a Standby for a non-DAS user (A non-DAS user can't tap into a Pan LL while waiting in line for 7D, but a DAS user can grab a 7D return time and while "waiting" hop in a LL they hold a time for)

This is probably not something they want to discourage though. My guess is they’d keep the operational consequences of allowing people to ‘wait’ in a standby line and tap into a LL, if it means a DAS party is buying Genie+.

If come May the changes they make are similar to what we are all assuming they will be, it tells me that their intention was to cut usage period. Scammers and true liars are easy to point the finger at and blame, but again if the changes they make are what has been speculated that sounds to me like they want less legitimate users period. How it’s being used seems to be a lesser issue, reading into Disneys presumed actions.

 

[Purduevian]

As a DAS user who does buy Genie + i do believe this is one if the biggest “advantages” but Disney would he hard pressed to enforce this because then what happens is they will sell less Genie + imo. Its definitely something that can be looked at and definitely something i feel Disney could get away with legally if they really wanted to pursue this. Again tho party size and re rides are to me the biggest issue that is creating these problems beyond the obvious lack of capacity

They probably could raise the price of G+ to cover the lose revenue (as now there should be more G+ availability).

Regarding re-rides and party size, I feel like Disney could get sued over those if they limit it too much. A non-DAS user can keep hopping in the standby line all day with the same party of people.

I would add as I said before add a touch point at the end of the ride for DAS then they can't get another return time till they scan out. This is in addition to the changes they are doing now that way it doesn't effect those that have to use the standby line.

More physical steps worries me quite a bit. I am assuming there are people that use DAS and do not book ASAP. Imagine a DAS user went on RAT, then made their way to SSE for a LL and forgot to "tap out" of the RAT line. Do they have to go all the way back to RAT before booking another DAS return? I think a automatic delay (like the 10 minutes they are adding now) is the way to go. It has to be reasonably as short as the LL and ride combo of the shortest attraction could be (think of someone using DAS for teacups).

 

[Disstevefan1]

I definitely think money is a big part of their concern

But this time…not all of it.

The levels of LL being used specifically for DAS isn’t sustainable. It can’t be 15 minutes for DAS and 95 standby for Navi as the effective policy. And it sounds like it’s way too close to that.

But a lot of it is money. Because genie will sell a lot more and at a higher price if it works. And it really doesn’t. They are inferring it’s das.

I hear you, but I think its all about money.

We all know the root problem is lack of capacity. Adding capacity COSTS MONEY. Changing policy costs MUCH LESS and will increase sales of G+ and ILLs.

 

[Trauma]

I can’t believe people are talking about Tiana’s opening as adding capacity.

It’s splash mountain with a Princess in it.

It’s only bringing back the capacity that previously existed.

That’s the problem. They keep re-theming rides instead of building new ones.

 

[Splash4eva]

They probably could raise the price of G+ to cover the lose revenue (as now there should be more G+ availability).

Regarding re-rides and party size, I feel like Disney could get sued over those if they limit it too much. A non-DAS user can keep hopping in the standby line all day with the same party of people.


More physical steps worries me quite a bit. I am assuming there are people that use DAS and do not book ASAP. Imagine a DAS user went on RAT, then made their way to SSE for a LL and forgot to "tap out" of the RAT line. Do they have to go all the way back to RAT before booking another DAS return? I think a automatic delay (like the 10 minutes they are adding now) is the way to go. It has to be reasonably as short as the LL and ride combo of the shortest attraction could be (think of someone using DAS for teacups).

I think 10 minutes is more than fair and in plenty of cases you would still be able to book another attraction before you are done with your current one.

 

[Happyday]

They probably could raise the price of G+ to cover the lose revenue (as now there should be more G+ availability).

Regarding re-rides and party size, I feel like Disney could get sued over those if they limit it too much. A non-DAS user can keep hopping in the standby line all day with the same party of people.


More physical steps worries me quite a bit. I am assuming there are people that use DAS and do not book ASAP. Imagine a DAS user went on RAT, then made their way to SSE for a LL and forgot to "tap out" of the RAT line. Do they have to go all the way back to RAT before booking another DAS return? I think a automatic delay (like the 10 minutes they are adding now) is the way to go. It has to be reasonably as short as the LL and ride combo of the shortest attraction could be (think of someone using DAS for teacups).

I understand what you are saying but most people are doing in the app which wouldn't allow it. If you get all the way to the next ride and haven't scanned out then the cast members would know you're not still on the ride and could override it (they would need your band so abuse would be eliminated) I didn't read about the automatic delay?

 

[Ayla]

While I do not resent those with neurodivergent problems getting DAS, I wonder how much has to do with their strong lobby? It's one of the few groups that has taken Disney to court and won.

Blind people, those with pain or IBS, etc. do not have cohesive groups behind them and after having read here and elsewhere it seems that many of them should also qualify.

Disney, as usual, is not taking baby steps, they're going in full bore and alienating guests - it's the Disney way. My hope is that those with older children or adults say screw Disney and go elsewhere BUT as usual they'll suck it up and Disney will go along on its merry way until they decide a new way to stick it to their guests. Right now, I'm one of them because our grandson has never been to WDW. That said, after our May trip, I'm done with Disney after having gone for 51 years. The funny thing is I was thinking about rejoining DVC - now, that will never happen.

Because you have to stand in a line? BTW, this poster said in Feb this was going to be their last Disney trip, so the DAS changes have nothing to do with them not going, anymore.

 

[Happyday]

I think 10 minutes is more than fair and in plenty of cases you would still be able to book another attraction before you are done with your current one.

Where did you see the 10 minute delay. I also think this is fair.

 

[Splash4eva]

Where did you see the 10 minute delay. I also think this is fair.

It was part of the announcement last week. DAS users would have to wait 10 minutes after the tap in before you can book another attraction

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I would be fine if they just give rerides for tier 2 and tier 3 attractions. I get not doing it for tier 1’s to give everyone a chance.

That would be exasperating the core problem…not enough capacity.

I don’t know if anyone else noticed…but somewhere around…oh 2012ish…the concept of rerides was eliminated from the Disney lexicon. They won’t even talk about it.

So what changed?

 

[mattpeto]

I can’t believe people are talking about Tiana’s opening as adding capacity.

It’s splash mountain with a Princess in it.

It’s only bringing back the capacity that previously existed.

That’s the problem. They keep re-theming rides instead of building new ones.

Well I think if you factor in adding Tron (which wasn't been opened at the same time as Splash), it is added capacity overall.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Well I think if you factor in adding Tron (which wasn't been opened at the same time as Splash), it is added capacity overall.

No, Tron is added capacity, not Tiana. And Tron is only applicable until Space Mountain has to close which has got to be pretty soon.

 

[ditzee]

Because you have to stand in a line? BTW, this poster said in Feb this was going to be their last Disney trip, so the DAS changes have nothing to do with them not going, anymore.

Btw, since Feb., I had thought about reinvesting in DVC. Things change and they've changed again. Let me know when you never change your mind about something.

 

[Ayla]

Btw, since Feb., I had thought about reinvesting in DVC. Things change and they've changed again. Let me know when you never change your mind about something.

So again, you have since changed your mind (again) about reinvesting in DVC because you'll have to stand in a line?