News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Happyday]

I don’t know, I’ve gotten 20+ rides in just being there for a holiday party, 8 hours and I spend 90 min with the entertainment.

Okay we are in MK all day there are about 15 rides attractions that we usually do (before Tron and without splash/Tiana) we have never gotten through all of the attractions in one day (we do not re-ride) If you are abusing the system and are truly able to wait in the lines maybe 20+ but again that goes back to the abuse not the people that truly need it. I think this is where the issue is if you truly need it you are not going to be able to run around like that without a sensory break.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ride capacity is a sunk issue. It’s done. What’s done is done. We’re here right now and the problem needs to be fixed within the parameters of what we have now.

But yes, i am also surprised about the low ride capacity, especially given that i was under the impression Disney falsely crowded the parks in slower seasons by running less ride vehicles or closing sides

Ride capacity is what it is…some of it 50 years old.

People suggest this on every fastpass/genie/planning thread

“Why not give deluxe 3 prebooks and then…”
“Why not allow the first ride to be orebooked…”
“Why limit how many fastpasses you can hold?”

So what’s the problem? There’s only one right answer.

 

[Splash4eva]

You can say it five more times…the math still ain’t lining up to the working estimate of DAS use/% of ride consumption

And thats because of Disney’s policies. Simply change them and that solves plenty of issues w/o ticking people off and in the same breathe “in theory” please others. They want to simple cut people off of DAS in the hopes they sell them Genie+ its simple as that imo. I will say this tho the changes they are making will help tremendously unfortunately the re ride issue will still be there…

 

[Touchdown]

Ride capacity is what it is…some of it 50 years old.

People suggest this on every fastpass/genie/planning thread

“Why not give deluxe 3 prebooks and then…”
“Why not allow the first ride to be orebooked…”
“Why limit how many fastpasses you can hold?”

So what’s the problem? There’s only one right answer.

Yup, best scenario for everyone is that LL is expensive and rarely used. The people who pay a premium get a premium experience, everyone else goes standby but the line actually moves.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Funny considering fastpass+ increased wait times across the board and ruined the first system…which was based on math

I remember when Fastpass+ first came out. At first only a few attractions used it and the rest was standby. Then they made EVERYTHING Fastpass+ attractions.

It the change hit me when they made one of the queues of POTC a Fastpass+

Before that moment, POTC was always a walk on attraction, it moved a lot of folks with both queues taking standby riders.

 

[JGamer]

Wait, so are we saying then that 1/3 of the people in the park are either holding a DAS or has someone in their party holding a DAS?

If that’s the case wouldn’t preventing joining other queues while in a DAS wait almost completely solve the issue?

I don't think that would solve the issue. Even if it did the only way to stop you from joining another queue would be to make all guests tap in to every attraction to get into line. I don't think Disney is willing to go that far, yet.

The issue is more like at 10 AM the number of DAS parties that want to ride popular rides overwhelms the forecasted capacity on that ride that was made for Genie+. That causes the LL queue to be massive and puts standby into a virtual standstill.

I will leave the discussion on queing theory here to experts like Touring Plans but at some point you reach a breaking point where the wait times are no longer manageable for anyone. Since DAS users have an unlimited supply of LL passes, it creates complete gridlock in the system for paying LL guests and standby guests. This is an operational nightmare for the most popular rides in the park. If a ride has enough capacity, it is not a huge issue.

 

[DryerLintFan]

Well this is circular…

But then natural instinct is to wonder why the most crowded amusement parks in the world?

Where do you go in a slow day? The Vegas strip on Saturday night or the nyc subway 10 minutes after the macys parade rolls by?

I mean, i don’t. I avoid the activities and places that make my condition worse about 95% of the time. Sometimes i tough it out because something comes up i can’t/won’t avoid, but it takes me weeks to recover fully. Which is why i avoid them all as much as possible

But that’s me. Like, i can’t imagine telling someone else how to live through their disability. We all have people counting on us to stretch our abilities every single day. Just to get by. Like, i personally wouldn’t, but i wouldn’t tell others not to. Especially since Disney has such a shining reputation in this space

 

[Brian]

Ride capacity is what it is…some of it 50 years old.

People suggest this on every fastpass/genie/planning thread

“Why not give deluxe 3 prebooks and then…”
“Why not allow the first ride to be orebooked…”
“Why limit how many fastpasses you can hold?”

So what’s the problem? There’s only one right answer.

What if they give every guest unlimited front of the line access on demand?

Problem solved.

 

[Jrb1979]

And thats because of Disney’s policies. Simply change them and that solves plenty of issues w/o ticking people off and in the same breathe “in theory” please others. They want to simple cut people off of DAS in the hopes they sell them Genie+ its simple as that imo. I will say this tho the changes they are making will help tremendously unfortunately the re ride issue will still be there…

That's part of it but they also want to make those who buy Genie+ be able to get more out it. There are people that use DAS the probably don't need it that could use a wheelchair or scooter instead

 

[Splash4eva]

That's part of it but they also want to make those who buy Genie+ be able to get more out it. There are people that use DAS the probably don't need it that could use a wheelchair or scooter instead

Without added capacity G+ users will always complain imo. I can only speak for myself here but ive had pretty decent success using G+ as ive stated here a few times. I have DAS and still feel like what i paid for was worth it as well

 

[Jrb1979]

Without added capacity G+ users will always complain imo. I can only speak for myself here but ive had pretty decent success using G+ as ive stated here a few times. I have DAS and still feel like what i paid for was worth it as well

By taking some DAS users out of the LL queue it opens up more availability for Genie+ users. Then more attractions wouldn't run out as often

 

[Disstevefan1]

Without added capacity G+ users will always complain imo. I can only speak for myself here but ive had pretty decent success using G+ as ive stated here a few times. I have DAS and still feel like what i paid for was worth it as well

In my opinion, DAS provides better access to attractions than G+. Having both you cant loose.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

That's part of it but they also want to make those who buy Genie+ be able to get more out it. There are people that use DAS the probably don't need it that could use a wheelchair or scooter instead

I really think this is the big picture of what’s going on here. I think they want people to buy Genie+ because it’s a good system not buy it begrudgingly because it’s better than waiting. Their 2-3 attraction disclaimer is telling, it’s irrelevant IMO how much better self selecting groups of planners online can do.

The easiest route to free up LL availability seems to be through restricting DAS. I’m not sure that this is about funneling former DAS users through Genie+ at all.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I really think this is the big picture of what’s going on here. I think they want people to buy Genie+ because it’s a good system not buy it begrudgingly because it’s better than waiting.

But these are the facts.

In my opinion, "fixing" DAS won't help.

As everyone says, more attractions would actually help.

The system is broken. It doesn't matter, Disney wins anyway.

 

[JGamer]

Genie+ will distribute the paying demand throughout the day. The current DAS implementation has no restrictions on it and is basically limitless. This means at the busiest times of the day, if too many DAS parties check-in, it will overwhelm the inventory. Recovering from that takes many hours.

By pushing the majority of DAS parties into Genie+ or another accomodation like return to line, it treats those DAS parties the same way as a standby guest. So, they are getting the same experience as everyone else.

 

[Tha Realest]

Even though I’m woefully behind on a bunch of TV shows, I really need to rewatch that Defunctland video on the instatiable monster that was FP and what it did to park operations in light of this new DAS info.

 

[Touchdown]

When everyone is special, no one is.

That Syndrome guy was so right…

 

[Trauma]

I can fix a lot of a problems for Disney at once.

Problems:

#1 Lightning Lane is filled with DAS

#2 Deluxe resorts are light on bookings

#3 DVC sales are slow

Solution:

Make DAS extremely restrictive. Make it VERY hard for cheaters to qualify, and limit it to only the bare minimum of guests that they can get away with legally.

Then scrap G+ since it’s the worst line skip in the industry.

Replace it with a line skip like Universal’s that allows you to get on the ride you want when you want.

Charge very high prices for the line skip.

Increase the cost of deluxe resort rooms and include the line skip with the room.

Include the line skip for DVC members.

This ensures the only people in the lightning lane are paying big $$$ to be there. Deluxe resort rooms are selling out and DVC is selling like hotcakes.

It also still gives the option to a disabled guest that can’t wait in line, to ride what they want when they want by acquiring an express pass.

 

[Touchdown]

I can fix a lot of a problems for Disney at once.

Problems:

#1 Lightning Lane is filled with DAS

#2 Deluxe resorts are light on bookings

#3 DVC sales are slow

Solution:

Make DAS extremely restrictive. Make it VERY hard for cheaters to qualify, and limit it to only the bare minimum of guests that they can get away with legally.

Then scrap G+ since it’s the worst line skip in the industry.

Replace it with a line skip like Universal’s that allows you to get on the ride you want when you want.

Charge very high prices for the line skip.

Increase the cost of deluxe resort rooms and include the line skip with the room.

Include the line skip for DVC members.

This ensures the only people in the lightning lane are paying big $$$ to be there. Deluxe resort rooms are selling out and DVC is selling like hotcakes.

It also still gives the option to a disabled guest that can’t wait in line, to ride what they want when they want by acquiring an express pass.

Add in DVC and you have way too many guests.

 

[Trauma]

Add in DVC and you have way too many guests.

Ok so offer it at a discount to DVC.