News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[RSoxNo1]

Personally, the Universal approach of third party doctor's note submission has been the simplest and least stressful. Selfishly, I'd also prefer a reversion back to the 6 guest cap from the 4 guest cap. It doesn't need to be a soft 6 guest cap as it was previously, but a switch from 4 to 6 would absolutely help. Honestly, if they want to put that two guest "buffer" behind some sort of LLMP paywall, I'd have zero issue with it.

This has been discussed many times and would not help. Many of the people who had DAS before have legitimate disabilities. So we’d be back at square 1.

I'm not sure which part you're indicating wouldn't help. The IBCCES / 3rd party doctor's note submission or the switch back from 4 to 6.

Speaking anecdotally on both, I've found the IBCCES approach to be far simpler in the case of my autistic brother and that approach does not require tickets to be purchased in order to acquire the approval. Both of those are positives in my mind.

As for the switch from 4 to 6. If you see my previous post, 6 is the most common cap in the US. Disney had employed that # for decades and reduced it to 4 on the most recent update. That's one of many reasons why this is an over correction.

I realize that its anecdotal, but in our experience last year before and after the DAS realignment there was a major change when comparing the visible and physical impacts. Prior to the change, Lightning Lane lines routinely exceeded the internal queue space and expanded to the walkways (and I'm not counting rope drop lines) and the resulting standby ratio acceptance made standby lines miserably long. After the change, we have yet to see egregious Lightning Lane queues and standby queues actually move again. This we observed and experienced weeks during April, September, November and December.

On our last 2 visits prior to the change m, many of the LLs were long. Not really “lightning”. We had to skip a few or try to come back later. And this wasn’t just one or two due to rides being down, it was many.

Generally speaking, backups at Lightning Lanes are more of an optical problem than an actual problem. Other than a handful of rides with long cycle times (looking at you Soarin'), usually these backups are resolved in under 15 minutes even when a line is "spilling out into the walkways". The instances when the backups aren't resolved that quickly are typically a function of attraction downtime.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I haven’t used the new LLMP yet. Does it normally have decent same day availability at MK?

I've found its useful if you want to hop to MK in the evening from DAK or EPCOT where the need for LLMP is reduced. That being said, the rides with availability are often strange combinations. At Tier 1, generally Space Mountain has the most availability. In Tier 2, generally Pirates and Mansion are the first ones to dry up.

 

[jaklgreen]

Fast pass/ Genie plus / Lightning lane should NOT be part of the DAS discussion.

I understand that some people that need accommodations are able to "get by" with these (free or not) but they are not a standby replacement. Disability accommodations are a substitute for Standby

Why not? It is no secret that many more people started asking for DAS once they got rid of free fast pass and went to paid LL. And yes it should be part of the discussion because those things DID affect those with disabilities as well as everyone else. It is a huge reason why more people started applying for DAS. Many used to be able to make due with the fastpasses but once those were gone, applied for the DAS.
I don't think that your point stands at all. It sounds like an argument just for arguments sake.

 

[jaklgreen]

This is never going to happen. Also, if FP worked for people then LLMP will as well. The issue is they don’t want to pay for it.

But FP and Genie+ are NOT the same. There was no limit on how many fastpasses you could get a day for a particular ride like there is with Genie+. So if someone wanted to only go on Pirates all day, they could just keep getting fastpasses for that, as long as the FP lasted. You can't do that with Genie+. So NO, they are not the same.

 

[jaklgreen]

This is a very vulnerable admission. It's 100% okay to want to feel "special", that's very human -- but that's not the purpose of these accommodations.

Who is saying that they want to "feel special"? That is a very condescending comment and should be removed by the moderators. My comments about this have nothing to do with me or me wanting to "feel special". Trust me, I am not that self absorbed. We are talking in general here about the what Disney is doing for Disability access and I am trying to give another perspective that maybe others have not considered.

 

[Jrb1979]

Who is saying that they want to "feel special"? That is a very condescending comment and should be removed by the moderators. My comments about this have nothing to do with me or me wanting to "feel special". Trust me, I am not that self absorbed. We are talking in general here about the what Disney is doing for Disability access and I am trying to give another perspective that maybe others have not considered.

IMO they are still doing more for those with disabilities than most other parks. A lot of the options are equal or better than LLMP, when it should really only be equal to standby

 

[jennab55]

But FP and Genie+ are NOT the same. There was no limit on how many fastpasses you could get a day for a particular ride like there is with Genie+. So if someone wanted to only go on Pirates all day, they could just keep getting fastpasses for that, as long as the FP lasted. You can't do that with Genie+. So NO, they are not the same.

But it wasn’t always available. Sometimes you couldn’t get a ride on FP, or even multiple rides. Plus people who stayed on site had a better advantage and could prebook earlier (same with LLMP).

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Who is saying that they want to "feel special"? That is a very condescending comment and should be removed by the moderators. My comments about this have nothing to do with me or me wanting to "feel special". Trust me, I am not that self absorbed. We are talking in general here about the what Disney is doing for Disability access and I am trying to give another perspective that maybe others have not considered.

You literally complained that the alternative accommodations aren't special because anyone can return to the line to rejoin their group, which has nothing to do with their adequacy. That necessarily suggests that you want your accommodations to be special even if the existing accommodations are adequate.