New Crypt Queue in Haunted Mansion-What do you think?

[Krack]

Marc Davis comments on ride exterior:

There was no mistaking the art direction from Walt about the exterior. "I asked Walt if he didn't want the outside of the house to look more like Charles Addams, and he said, "No! I want it pristine. I want to show people that we take care of things at Disneyland. You can do what you want on the inside - but let's keep the outside clean and nice for the people." Like all the tombstones and the hearse outside now - Walt would have never wanted that!"

Typically, I take Marc Davis' comments on the HM with a lot of salt (based on everything I've read about the attraction, the guy was a control freak and undermined his co-workers constantly). That said, this is the only thing I could find regarding the original intent of the Mansion exterior; it's as close to a "fact" as anyone is going to find.

 

[Expo_Seeker40]

haunted mansion queue finally open. just experienced it today completely. everything has been aged and touched up since previews. rose now in front of master gracy's tomb. honestly, the new queue is nothing to get worked up over. it's an optional thing you can choose to do and is over to the side of the mansion. I have more "important" things to worry about like epcot tarps, leave a legacy, closed restaurants and shops, than some optional queue.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

Hey, guys. I have my opinion in the other topic, but it looks like the discussion is going on in both. Perhaps they would do well with a little merger, but that's neither here nor there. I'm just going to link to my analysis of the new queue addition:

Part 1: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4512707&postcount=275
Part 2: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4513752&postcount=278

 

[jmuboy]

haunted mansion queue finally open. just experienced it today completely. everything has been aged and touched up since previews. rose now in front of master gracy's tomb. honestly, the new queue is nothing to get worked up over. it's an optional thing you can choose to do and is over to the side of the mansion. I have more "important" things to worry about like epcot tarps, leave a legacy, closed restaurants and shops, than some optional queue.

I still don't get the idea of an "optional queue" - such a thing does not really exist. Why spend the money to entertain people waiting in the line when the REAL line does not go through the new area. Instead you can choose to go through the "Optional Queue" ( Tombstone playground) and spend 15 minutes but your time in the line will be 15 minutes longer than someone who chooses to go through the regular queue.

Honestly, more importantly to me, is that huge opening in the trees still there offering views of the show building?

 

[jakeman]

You claim victory by asking for something that would never be stated publicly, a reality understood by most who spend even just a little time examining how Disney has and does operate.

I don't believe I claimed victory anywhere.

If I did, I apologize as that was not the intent of my post.

I simply asked for something solid when it appeared opinion was masquerading as fact. It has been clarified that HGB's stance is just his opinion (albeit well informed) and therefore I have nothing further to state.

I asked a question. I feel that we discussed it and my question was answered to my satisfaction. I didn't win as I wasn't in competition. In fact, I found the offshoot discussion regarding the subjective meaning of truth interesting.

Differing opinions are fine, especially since they are the driving force of discussion. However when opinions start to get blurred with fact, I don't think someone should be lambasted for seeking clarification.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

I still don't get the idea of an "optional queue" - such a thing does not really exist. Why spend the money to entertain people waiting in the line when the REAL line does not go through the new area. Instead you can choose to go through the "Optional Queue" ( Tombstone playground) and spend 15 minutes but your time in the line will be 15 minutes longer than someone who chooses to go through the regular queue.

Honestly, more importantly to me, is that huge opening in the trees still there offering views of the show building?

LOL Thank you, jmuboy for proving the point I made at the end of my analysis of the new addition.

:lol:

 

[thelookingglass]

I still don't get the idea of an "optional queue" - such a thing does not really exist. Why spend the money to entertain people waiting in the line when the REAL line does not go through the new area. Instead you can choose to go through the "Optional Queue" ( Tombstone playground) and spend 15 minutes but your time in the line will be 15 minutes longer than someone who chooses to go through the regular queue.

Honestly, more importantly to me, is that huge opening in the trees still there offering views of the show building?

I assume that this line will be required to go through if the line is long enough to warrant it... or am I wrong?

And if I'm wrong, lets say the line goes past the point where you choose to go straight in or into the new queue. How would they fairly merge the two lines back together?

 

[Expo_Seeker40]

the queue is optional because there is a divider gate, today you could either go right or left. I assume the gate will be closed during busy times of the year so everyone has to go through the new queue, maybe so the line doesn't spill out into liberty square as often..I dunno, but it has been optional since previews began.

yes you can see the show building, you've actually always been able to see the show building, even from the front gate you can see the show building over the exit area


what has me baffled right now is the wheelchair corridor between the foyer and exit area is some gutted ghetto looking hallway with black curtains (too bad there aren't triangles with it) and the doors are left wide open on both sides! i'm more concerned about the ghetto corridor than the queue.

 

[Expo_Seeker40]

they merged the lines together today. they got rid of the turnstile, today I tried the new queue and right after you pass the captain's tomb, you merge into the sheltered corridor (not the canopy) and you meet up with the people who went through the original queue,,,,you then return to basically as it has always been with the tombs up on the hill, just rearranged.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

haunted mansion queue finally open. just experienced it today completely. everything has been aged and touched up since previews. rose now in front of master gracy's tomb. honestly, the new queue is nothing to get worked up over. it's an optional thing you can choose to do and is over to the side of the mansion. I have more "important" things to worry about like epcot tarps, leave a legacy, closed restaurants and shops, than some optional queue.

Pics or it didn't happen. :lookaroun

Seriously, though, does anyone have any pics or video of the finished and opened queue? Or any pics at night for that matter? I'm hoping Kevin Yee's next article will be a look at this, but I wouldn't mind not waiting until then.

 

[mp2bill]

Judging from the pics on this site, it looks good. Can't wait to see it in person.

 

[jokerjames94]

Claude Coats (spooky) and Marc Davis (funny)

Ahh thanks. Gracey was effects. I've read those names at least a dozen times and I still forget them.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

Ahh thanks. Gracey was effects. I've read those names at least a dozen times and I still forget them.

Don't worry. I changed my post because I realized that scary was Claude Coates, not Rolly Crump. There's so many names attatched to the project that a brain fart every once in a while it understandable.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That said, this is the only thing I could find regarding the original intent of the Mansion exterior; it's as close to a "fact" as anyone is going to find.

I think what was designed, built and opened in 1971 also says something.

haunted mansion queue finally open. just experienced it today completely. everything has been aged and touched up since previews. rose now in front of master gracy's tomb. honestly, the new queue is nothing to get worked up over. it's an optional thing you can choose to do and is over to the side of the mansion. I have more "important" things to worry about like epcot tarps, leave a legacy, closed restaurants and shops, than some optional queue.

I still don't get the idea of an "optional queue" - such a thing does not really exist. Why spend the money to entertain people waiting in the line when the REAL line does not go through the new area. Instead you can choose to go through the "Optional Queue" ( Tombstone playground) and spend 15 minutes but your time in the line will be 15 minutes longer than someone who chooses to go through the regular queue.

Honestly, more importantly to me, is that huge opening in the trees still there offering views of the show building?

I too do not understand the concept of an optional queue. If this remains optional, it just makes me think the rumor of FastPass returning has some credibility, or that the new reservation systems may be coming to the attraction. As of right now splitting and then merging the line just seems like an unnecessary hassle, unless you are working out how to improve the merge for a future change.

 

[Krack]

I think what was designed, built and opened in 1971 also says something.

You're preaching to the choir; I agree with you. But some people were insisting on quotes from the attraction designers.

I too do not understand the concept of an optional queue. If this remains optional, it just makes me think the rumor of FastPass returning has some credibility, or that the new reservation systems may be coming to the attraction.

There's no way they designed this new queue to be permanently "optional". No way. My guess was it was designed the way it is in case somewhere down the line they decide to institute fast pass.

 

[jakeman]

You're preaching to the choir; I agree with you. But some people were insisting on quotes from the attraction designers.

It's okay Krack, you can say my name. I'm not Voldemorte.

 

[HBG2]

The whole discussion about the "optionality" of the queue as a justifying argument is academic, since it's clear that characters introduced there are going to be encountered again inside the HM. There's a portrait of "Cousin Maude" next to the HHG's, perhaps part of a sort of scavenger hunt inside for clues to the murder mystery thing.

Whatever. The point is, the queue is not going to be optional, since it begins the story continued inside.

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A note of caution with regard to Imagineer quotes. They aren't gospel. Ken Anderson argued that Walt (and he) had already determined by 1958 that a walk-thru format would not work and the attraction would have to be a ride. Anderson had drawings that seemed to confirm this. But Rolly Crump has always maintained that the decision to go from a walk-thru to a ride format didn't take place while Walt was alive, and he has material to indicate that. So you could get direct quotes, in print, from HM Imagineers "proving" two opposite things. The idea that such quotes are a magic wand that turns "opinion" into "fact" is simply not defensible.

 

[Expo_Seeker40]

**is going to make "it's a freaking queue" t-shirts and sell them in front of the HM**

 

[HBG2]

You'll have to compete with my "Pepe Le Queue" tees. I know, wrong studio, but...

 

[Expo_Seeker40]

HBG I <3 u bud, but it's ok, I've seen and played in the new queue. We agree on a lot of things, but really, this new queue is ok.